Usyk In The 1950's?

Yeah, thanks for making my case.

 

Add in that he beat Maxim twice, Elmer Ray once, Ezzard Charles twice, and his first loss against Louis was considered a robbery by many.

 

To early to tell but I think plenty of guys give him fits or even wreck him. Marciano and Liston walk through him. Think Patterson would be a close fight. I can see La starts and Layne losing to him but make it very interesting. Walcott Moore and Charles id have to give the edge...idk to soon for Usyk in five years my opinion may be wildly different. He def beats Valdez and Cockell.

 

He’s barely been hurt and yet Liston would ‘smash him up’ and Ingo would ‘probably knock him out’

He’d school Ingo, Liston would probably beat Usyk but not guaranteed, he’d probably cause Liston the same problems Ali did with his movement.

Usyk beats everyone in the 50’s not named Liston IMO, and that’s probably 60-40 rather than 90-10.

Mezhidov and Joyce in the WSB not enough? Beterbiev in the amateurs? Briedis and Gassiev in the pros.

Not sure what else he needs to do, but if he needs to fight someone 40lbs heavier than Ingo to prove he can take that man’s shots I’d say you’re reaching, desperate to cling onto your bias towards the old timers.

 

Marciano would barely land a punch on him.

 

could you refer me to a Marciano fight where he looks impressive? I recently watched Marciano vs. Walcott in their first fight and Marciano looked small and slow, with terrible footwork. There was nothing about him that stood out. It was a fight in which neither fighter looked impressive, there was nothing to learn by watching it, and if it was possible for them to fight again in my backyard, I wouldn't walk outside to watch.

If that fight was representative of Marciano and Walcott, Usyk could beat either Marciano or Walcott while on his way to a real boxing match. Sonny Liston against a 6-3, athletic southpaw, with arguably the best amateur background in the history of heavyweight boxing? Another joke, but at least Liston didn't cross his right foot over his left when he moved to the left. The video doesn't lie and neither Liston nor Marciano would give Usyk any problems.

 

I find that exceedingly unlikely!

 

Could you refer me to a Marciano fight where he lost?

If you think that a guy who beat everybody looks unimpressive, it probably says more about your judgment than that fighter!

 

janitor, as long as you disagree with me, I'll trust my judgment. That Marciano didn't lose in his time speaks volumes about his competition, as the old saying goes, "in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king."

 

There is a serious problem with that argument.

You can debate how good the era was, but there is no doubting that he beat the best of the era, and took the most dangerous possible defenses.

Then you have to explain why somebody else didn't replicate what he did in another weak era, or even replicate it by avoiding a few key contenders?

The bottom line is, that you can't diminish success!

 

Usyk just cleared out a division.

Throw Gassiev and Briedis into the 50’s and they’d cause Charles, Walcott, old Louis, Marciano, Liston, Ingo, Patterson, all sorts of problems. They’d both f’n wreck Rex Layne, Fat Donny C, Satterfield and the like.

Ingo would make for an intriguing member of the current cruiserweight scene. Making him a favourite against Usyk, who is infinitely more skilled on film, is madness.

I’m not surprised you think Marciano would beat Usyk. The film doesn’t lie: Usyk is significantly bigger, quicker, more skilled, versatile, than Walcott. He also has a gas tank which is seemingly limitless, so even over 15 it’s unlikely The Rock has an advantage there.

Strategically he is elite too. Game planning for Marciano would quite frankly be easy for Usyk.

It might be hard to see when you’re wearing rose tinted spectacles, but Usyk is just about the best H2H fighter at 200lbs and under ever. Joe Louis has the best chance to beat him, and stylistically Usyk would probably cause him no end of problems also.

Just because the division has a different name and we don’t recognise Latvia and Russia as heavyweight powerhouse nations, we somehow do not realise what Usyk has done. Take away the super heavyweights, and he is the great heavyweight champion of our era, if we’re equating the general size of the men he faced with the size of man Marciano, Louis, Ali all fought in the days before widespread giants.

 

Excellent post!

 

And I hope that I speak for everybody, when I say that he should be highly regarded because of it!

Hard to be sure one way or the other really.

Ingo made a career out of beating people who were far more skilled than him.

Machen was far more skilled, and Paterson was far more skilled.

He was a very dangerous fighter!

You can't game plan for a pressure fighter like Marciano, who can smother you, and nullify everything that you try to do.

I think it is far to say that Walcott was a lot more elusive than Usky.

Usky is going to have to show me a hell of a lot before I make him favorite over Marciano, and we are not quite there yet.

I would advise you to withhold that judgment for a bit longer.

You might end up looking like a right Charlie if he looses to somebody who is not all that.

Just to be clear, I am very impressed by Usky.

I saw very clear limits to how far men like Mormeck and Haye were going to get, right from the outset, and I am not seeing such clear limits for Usky.

For now however, he still has to earn his win over Louis, Marciano, and he isn't even an automatick pick over Johansen necessarily.

It became clear to ma a long time ago that the former Soviet Union was the future.

Usky and Lomachenko are as impressive as any fighters that I have ever seen, but they are still active fighters!

I never agreed with the idea that the current Cruiserweifgth division, corresponds to the heavyweight division of old, because it has often not attracted the best or brightest talent that could make the weight!

 

You believe Corbett would beat prime Tua, that Rex Layne would defeat Joseph Parker, and that Burns should be favoured to beat 31(31)-0-0 Wilder... and yet you feel qualified to criticize the sound judgment of another poster? Jesus...