Blowing the Wilder Myth/Resume apart.

Wilder resume chat, refreshing. It's largely trash. His title run has been poor too. He has some sprinklings of 'not too bad' fighters on there, then he has a legit very good win in Ortiz and should have an L against Fury. The first Stiverne W was an alright win, many picked Stiverne to win that (myself included). Then a fair bit of...meh.

 

Weird thing with Wilder, if you critique his resume you're labelled as a hater, AJ fan boy etc. For some reason his resume is out of bounds for criticism. Anyway, his resume is bang average. The Ortiz win was decent, the Stiverne win was OK but apart from that there is nothing to write home about. Let's be honest, the Fury fight was a cherry pick gone wrong, he expected a depleted Fury to show up but that didn't happen and he got fortunate with a draw.

 

So if Fury was really ill, you would call that a duck?
Dont guess here either please

 

Absolutely. The first Stiverne fight was a bit of an 'oh, he's actually not that bad' moment. Since then he gets in trouble all the time with pretty average opponents, he should have probably lost the Fury fight to a fat Fury who'd done nothing meaningful for years.

He struggles far too often with opponents who a guy as good as he thinks he is wouldn't have any problems with.

 

Wilder's resume is awful. Does anybody try say otherwise?

However, he's got a very good win v Ortiz which cements his status in the top three and he undoubtedly has dynamite in his hands. He always manages to find a big shot and there isn't a boxer on this planet who can take them clean. That makes him a very interesting and very dangerous opponent for anyone.

I don't see Fury/Wilder 2 as a foregone conclusion, nor AJ/Wilder, which makes me laugh when AJ fans think it will be an easy fight for goldenballs. That fight is a shootout, potentially one of the best heavyweight fights of all time and while I believe AJ is a much better boxer, Wilder is faster and more powerful IMO. Spectacular fight that will be. (Fingers crossed we see it)

 

Be interesting to see what wilder does with his weight in the fury rematch. Talk of him putting on serious poundage for it. But as it stands Joshua will punch him round the ring imo. Joshua will be too big and strong for him. fury had wilder gassed in there by just being the bigger man. Joshua has the tools to make him pay for it.

 

He won't gain that much weight, unless his juicing. Building pure muscle is hard work.

 

And yet AJ is terrified of him, and rightly so.

 

In your opinion.....

 

Why does a win against Ortiz cement his top 3 status? Ortiz only notable win is against Jennings ( whom lost recently to an unkown fighter in Rivas) and the rest of his resume is full of very low level fringe fighters that even makes Millers record look like murderers row. I would argue Povetkin, Whyte, Pulev, Parker and even Chisora have more significant wins on the resume than a win over Jennings.

 

A.) He's WBC champion

B.) His win over Ortiz is up there with the best wins on anyone's resume outside of Fury and AJ's defeat of Klitschko.

C.) He's undefeated. We know Fury beat him but that isn't the result on the record unfortunately. And besides, no shame in losing to Fury. Fury is in the top two, possibly the best of them all.

D.) He knocks out all the guys you've mentioned

He's in the top three of every ranking system out there. They can't all be wrong. Who would you have in front of him and why?

 

It’s going to be interesting to see. Wilder doesn’t have great skills be he has great power. AJ has really good skills and really good power but as Firy said he doesn’t slip and move like Fury can sonits going to give Wilder more opportunities to possibly catch him. If wilder lands like Wlad he will not be hesitant and he will finish AJ, and vice versa AJ will finish Wilder if he catches him like Ortiz did so it’s a great match up. He still has to get by Fury and there’s a 50/50 chance of that happening.

 

Yeah, I absolutely agree!!!

Joshua will only require 2 rounds to KO Wilder

 

You haven't answered my question? How is Ortiz rated so highly that a win over him alone guarntees Wilder a top 3 ranking ? When if you consider Ortiz only win is against Jennings a guy who lost to Rivas. Is Rivas viewed as being a better fighter than Whyte, Povetkin, Parker and Pulev because he beat Jennings too?

As for your other point I'd argue Whyte KOs Wilder (whom notoriously ducks hard punchers and the second hardest puncher he has fought is Molina whom even rocked him) , as does Parker whilst Pulev jabs wilders head off over the 12 rounds for a comfortable decision.

As for rankings not being wrong? Are you Sure? There are plenty of examples that show it not to be true. The likes of Martin, Arreola and Stiverne were all ranked highly when they were WC too whennthey beat cannon fodder.

 

What a **** resume

Then he stepped up & got schooled by Fury