just curious about 1 Your top 15 2 How you imagine they do H2H against each other 3 do you have anyone of them going 14-0 against the field Just curious as some pick Ali or to a lesser degree Louis being near unbeatable I personally don’t think anyone in my list goes 14-0 nor do I think anyone of mine would go 0-14 how about you guys?
1-2 Louis-Ali 3-4 Holmes-Lewis 5-6 Foreman-Wlad 7-9 Holyfield Frazier Tyson 10-13 Marciano Johnson Liston Dempsey 14-15 Bowe Vitali This is my list but please use your own. I will sit down in about an hour or so and see how I contrast them. Be interested in your ATG’s and your contrast of them H2H in a one off fight not facing 14 of them in a row
Oh well I just wanted to see how some of you guys do your hypothetical H2H rankings especially when I see “so and so is a H2H monster”.... hopefully some will post so I can see how.... Anyway mine with ATG ranking on the left and H2H in parenthesis on the right with contrasted records: 1 Louis (1 Louis 11-3) 2 Ali (T2 Ali 10-3-1) 3 Holmes (T2 Holmes 10-3-1) 4 Lewis (T4 Lewis 9-5) 5 Foreman (T4 Frazier 9-5) 6 Wlad (T6 Foreman 8-6) 7 Holyfield (T6 Marciano 8-6) 8 Frazier (T8 Holyfield 7-7) 9 Tyson (T8 Tyson 7-7) 10 Marciano (T8 Vitali 7-7) 11 Johnson (11 Bowe 6-8) 12 Liston (T12 Wlad 5-9) 13 Dempsey (T12 Liston 5-9) 14 Bowe (14 Johnson 3-11) 15 Vitali (15 Dempsey 1-13) How about you guys
1. George Foreman 2. Mike Tyson 3. Deontay Wilder 4. Joe Louis 5. Muhammad Ali 6. Jersey Joe Walcott 7. Floyd Patterson 8. George Foreman 9. Vitaly Klitschko 10. Larry Holmes 11. Wladimir Klitschko 12. Barry Holmes 13. Manny Pacquiao 14. Big Joe 15. Lennox Lewis
1. Ali only guy to maybe go undefeated but sure he would drop one 2. Lewis only because I think he does well H2H 3. Marciano yep he belongs there 4. Foreman 5. Liston 6. Tyson 7. Frazier 8. Holmes 9. Joe Louis if this were accomplishments ts he would be at my 2 but h2h he drops imo 10.11 Klitschkos 12. Bowe 13. Dempsey 14. Holyfield 15. Archie Moore yes he would do very well against most
1. Joe Louis 2. Muhammad Ali 3. Rocky Marciano 4. Jack Dempsey 5. George Foreman 6. Gene Tunney 7. Larry Holmes 8. Evander Holyfield 9. Joe Frazier 10. Bob Fitzsimmons 11. Jack Johnson 12. Lennox Lewis 13. Mike Tyson 14. Sonny Liston 15. Wladimir/Vitali, I'm split In a H2H sense, I hold Marciano as 1, next I have Louis, then a three way draw between Dempsey, Ali and Foreman, as I think they all were great in their respective styles. After that, I'd probably bump Liston, Tyson, and Lewis to my top 10. As for going 14-0, I think nobody would pull it off. I think Marciano could reasonably beat Ali, Louis beats Marciano, and Ali could beat Louis. I think everyone would have at least one loss.
A H2H top 15? I'd need to put a fair bit of thought into it. Bowe would be a lot higher, top 10 I think. Dempsey would be a bit higher. The top 3 H2H for me is Ali Louis Lewis I'm not as sure after that. I'd favour Ali at his best over everyone, but I think it'd be extremely unlikely for him to go 14-0.
I have always felt like Louis Marciano and Frazier would be stiff tests for Ali and think all 3 beat him and go back and forth with Holmes, so I called that my lone draw pick. I was surprised to see that I had Vitali as high as I did when I looked it.
H2H 1. Muhammad Ali 2. Larry Holmes 3. Mike Tyson 4. Lennox Lewis 5. Joe Louis 6. Evander Holyfield 7. George Foreman 8. Vitali Klitschko 9. Joe Frazier 10. Riddick Bowe 11. Wlad Klitschko 12. Sonny Liston 13. Jack Johnson 14. Rocky Marciano 15. Jack Dempsey
Dunno. I didn’t really think of working it out like that,with writing down each one’s record against each other and base the list on those statistics. Sometimes you just gotta go with your instincts and write down what comes to mind and how you feel. Could be my list would be a lot different if I did it the way you said.