Kellerman Says Pac Is Top 10 ATG; Ranks Higher Than Floyd...

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  1. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Mayweather is greater pound for pound than Pacquiao then Hagler is greater pound for pound than Duran.
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    PBF didn't drag up anybody. It was JMM who called out PBF because your hero didn't want to fight him again. So JMM said **** Pac I'll fight the best fighter in the world instead.

    Maidana gave PBF a harder fight than Pac did let that sink in.:deal:
    PBF shut out JMM who KTFO Pac and who Pac never beat clearly
    PBF fought a in shape motivated Cotto at 154 who wasn't drained and had a real trainer and wasn't fresh off the death of his father and Margo loss.
    PBF fought Oscar at 154 where he was a title holder at and he fought Oscar with a stacked deck at a weight he has never been great in and still beat Oscar going away. Pac fought a weight drained zombie version of Oscar who did not have a title at that weight and who never fought again after that fight.
    PBF fought Hatton while he was doing Dancing With the Stars even still he beat him at his own game and stopped him. Pac beat a coked up version of Hatton who had a trash camp with a new trainer.
     
  3. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    PBF had bigger fish to fry than Keith Thurman, who was an up and coming fighter back than. He fought Pac and Canelo FFS. Keith Thurman has been ducking Spence for years now, that;s whats so funny about it.
    Like I said before, history has already spoken ESPN The Ring Roach and most of their peers already rank PBF as greater. Where have you been?
     
  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You’re well aware of how stupid that makes you sound.
     
  5. Pimp C

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    Wrong! Hagler spent his whole career in 1 weight class. While PBF fought in 5 different weight classes. Horrible comparison.
     
  6. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Hagler also fought ATGs in their prime and Floyd didnt so that's another way there comparison isnt completely parallel. But still the comparison is valid.
     
  7. Pimp C

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    Which ATG did he fight in his prime? Are you talking about Hearns because we all know 160 was not his best or prime weight. Like I said it's invalid because PBF fought in multiple weight classes while Hagler only fought in 1. If Hagler had fought in multiple weight classes it might be a different case but he didn't.
     
  8. tinman

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    Its valid, Pacquiao won a Flyweight title which is 18 pounds and multiple divisions below where Floyd won a title.

    Duran won a title at 135 which is 25 pounds and multiple divisions below where Hagler won a title.

    Hearns best weight was 154 and not 160 you are correct about that. But he was at his absolute peak when he fought Hagler. He was even more prime in that fight than when he fought Leonard in 1981. But he was 6 pounds north of his optimal weight. And was fighting a bigger, tougher and stronger man in Hagler.

    I mean for example Pacquiao was prime in 2009, but clearly above his most natural weight class. That doesn't mean he was past his prime, just fighting in the wrong weight class.
     
  9. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    118-110...deal with it
     
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  10. LANCE99

    LANCE99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's pretty sad how you act like this fight had no funny business. Floyd drags him two weight classes and then CHEATS him on the scale. If anyone else did that, you would be trying to discredit the win ALL the time....
     
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  11. Pimp C

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    PBF came off a long lay off and JMM called him out when he could not secure a fight with Pac. With that said PBF beat JMM with skill. There's a reason why JMM was willing to fight Pac 4 times but flat out rejected a rematch years later with PBF despite the fact he would have gotten a career high payday and a shot at redemption. He knew that PBF was a stylistic nightmare for him that's why.:deal:
     
  12. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    These guys bring up size and pound for pound arguments all the time. EXCEPT when it comes to Pacquiao and Mayweather. Because once you actually examine that you will clearly realize Kellerman is arguing from a position of strength.

    They bang on and on about size advantages and guys picking on little guys and guys not moving up. And blah, blah, blah.

    But getting them to acknowledge that Pacquiao was the Lineal Flyweight Champion who moved up and SAVAGED Miguel Cotto is like asking a heroin addict to stop using.
     
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  13. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Also the JMM thing is such a bizarre comparison.

    Pacquiao ASCENDED weight to challenge a PRIME 30 year old Marquez. And Mayweather dragged up a smaller over the hill Marquez. And then didnt make the contracted weight.

    How in the flying **** is that completely parallel comparison?
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Pac was an anorexic teen at flyweight. His adult weight is not that small. He’s not Roman Gonzales.
     
  15. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    He rose from the Flyweight Lineal title and challenged a 27 year old Miguel Cotto and started WALKING HIM DOWN.

    One of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen in sports. He didnt just beat Cotto he walked him down.
     
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