Kellerman Says Pac Is Top 10 ATG; Ranks Higher Than Floyd...

I never said Mayweather was innocent in all of this. He has his share of the blame, but when you look back on it all, who came out on top at the end? Mayweather continued to not lose, while Pac lost several times, including once by brutal knockout. Mayweather became famous enough to make ridiculous amounts of money off a literal circus act, while Pac did poor enough to open up the possibility of being robbed by...Jeff Horn. I don't know, man. Unless Pac does something spectacular soon, I think Mayweather is a notch above him.

 

You're full of **** and Roach has already exposed you. Pac didn't want random blood testing with no cutoff and that's the reason why the fight didn't happen back in 2010 period. When they did fight PBF schooled Pac in fact it was one of his easiest fights in years. I said this for years before they even fought that if you can't beat JMM clearly in 4 fights then you have no chance in hell of beating PBF. Both master boxers but PBF is JMM x 10. Pac could never stop from getting hit by right hands by JMM he could never quite figure him out. If he can't figure out JMM he's not figuring out PBF.

 

I disagree. I think Pac already won the fight. BUT, I understand most fans think May legitimately won. Still, my views don't change.

 

13 pages in and nobody can takedown Kellermans argument.

It's a bunch of guys going in circles.

 

WTF does what PBF told Ward have to do with Pac not wanting to take random blood test with no cutoff and running of to fight Clottey instead of fighting PBF? It's irrelevant just some sort of deflection from my original point and that is Pac backed out of the fight with PBF because of testing. Which Roach has also backed up my point as well. Your hero wasn't sure he could pass a drug test that's why he did not want to test. Roach also said he needed more time to develop a game plan in order to deal with PBF. The truth is ****bois like you never wanted the fight because you already knew that Pac would get tooled. I always knew PBF would school Pac because he's more complete and less flawed and Pac couldn't even beat JMM clearly in 4 fights. At the end of the day people like me were proven right and bitter ****bois like you proven wrong and almost 4 years later you can't get a good nights rest because of it, PBF owns you the loss will haunt you to your grave. Let that sink in.

118-110
PBF UD # 48 now then and forever deal with it.

 

Another poorly disguised Mayweather hate thread.
You don't have to like him, just be honest with yourself though and admit greatness when you saw it

 

Your talk doesn't back up reality dummy. Pac did not want testing back in 2009 he stopped the fight from happening, he ducked PBF because of testing. Yet you refuse to deal in facts but rather form your own opinion and try and re-write history to suit your agenda. Guess what? I won't allow your mentally ill ass to, the myth ends today. PBF beat Pac when they fought easily and is 1-0 against him and no amount of you trying to act as if it didn't happen will change that fact. PBF>Pac as said by ESPN The Ring Pac's own trainer Roach and most of their peers deal with it. You've just been ethered now go to sleep *****.

http://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/14970037/ranking-top-25-pound-pound-boxers-25-years

https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/ring-magazine-top-20-fighters-since-wwii.517791/
The October issue of Ring surveyed many boxing writers and historians on the greatest fighters of the Modern Era (post-WWII). They were each asked to rank the 20 greatest fighters with 1st receiving 20 points, 2nd receiving 19, 3rd receiving 18, etc... with first place votes bracketed. The top 20 is as follows (HT to chrismart83 on scene):


1. Ray Robinson - 396pts - (17)
2. Henry Armstrong - 339 - (1)
3. Muhammad Ali - 324 - (1)
4. Roberto Duran - 296
5. Joe Louis - 293
6. Ray Leonard - 258
7. Willie Pep - 246 - (1)
8. Archie Moore - 189
9. Julio Cesar Chavez - 171
10. Ezzard Charles - 164
11. Pernell Whitaker - 132
12. Floyd Mayweather Jr - 118
13. Marvin Hagler - 117
14. Carlos Monzon - 98
15. Eder Jofre - 86
16. Sandy Saddler - 82
17. Roy Jones Jr - 80
18. Rocky Marciano - 77
19. Bernard Hopkins - 66
20. Ike Williams - 55

Others receiving votes:
Charley Burley - 53
Evander Holyfield - 42
George Foreman - 41
Billy Conn - 39
Larry Holmes - 36
Manny Pacquiao - 36
Kid Galivan - 28
Salvador Sanchez - 28
Emile Griffith - 27
Jose Napoles - 27
Holman Williams - 27
Mike Tyson - 26
Joe Frazier - 22
Alexis Arguello - 20
Marcel Cerdan - 20
Carlos Ortiz - 20
Ricardo Lopez - 19
Jake LaMotta - 17
Ruben Olivares - 17
Pascual Perez - 12
Marco Antonio Barrera - 9
Oscar De La Hoya - 9
Michael Spinks - 9
Tommy Hearns - 7
Miguel Canto - 5
Bob Foster - 5
Jimmy Bivins - 4
Lennox Lewis - 4
Sammy Angott - 3

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Yes. Disguised as a "3 cheers for Pac" thread, when really is was an easy excuse to hate on Mayweather.

You're blinded by hate I think. I agree that it'd be the much better narrative for the "good guy" in the whole scenario to be better than the much maligned Mayweather, but that's not how life works unfortunately

 

If Welterweight Floyd and Pac were the same size Pac wins. 130, or 135 pound Floyd would beat Pac though. He hit harder and was more offensive at the lower weights than he was at welter.

 

You still haven't addressed Kellermans point and we are on page 14.

 

thats fair. much better than just posting the judges scorecards, like i usually get.

 

This voting BS is irrelevant as superior better fighters got less votes than Mayweather who is nowhere near them.