WBC order Whyte vs Brezeale for Interim Title

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  1. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    No it wasn't an eliminator it was for the vacant title. Anyway it's an example of somebody losing their mandatory position by going another route, and he didn't even lose either. If you have an example of a mandatory challenger fighting for a different organisation's title and keeping his mandatory position with the other one, I'm all ears.
     
  2. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I am all ears too, I'd like to know from someone. Doubt Whyte would have accepted DB if this wasn't the case... they check these things with the WBC beforehand using lawyers and stuff.
     
  3. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good fight. Logical fight. Wont be buying it though as Whyte sees himself as a huge draw and Brezeale will need paying. That equates to them keeping all the money and a pony undercard. Buatsi Vs noone. Throw in a McDonnell for a guarenteed 12 rounds. With Crolla as chief support
     
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  4. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're right it was for the vacant title. My understanding is that it was pushed back due to a Dirrell injury, and Smith decided to go down the WBSS and chase the WBA so as such got dropped down the other one?
     
  5. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I read the WBC regulations document and it doesn't state that a WBC mandatory challenger position is comprimised if the challenger exercise their mandatory status in another sanctioning body, it does state however:

    "Further, the WBC may also withdraw recognition of a mandatory or qualifying challenger for inactivity or failure to engage in any bout ordered by the WBC. A WBC champion may not compete for hold a championship of another organization unless permitted by the WBC in its sole discretion."

    and

    Designation of Mandatory Challengers. The WBC shall always have the discretion to designate a mandatory challenger by:

    (a) ordering a final elimination bout of two qualified contenders;
    (b) designating a Qualified Challenger as the official mandatory challenger; or
    (c) ordering a unification bout with a champion of another organization recognized by the WBC.

    For the avoidance of doubt, the highest rated (or the highest rated available) boxer in the WBC rankings is never, solely by virtue of such position, the official mandatory challenger. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary, including any communications attributed to the WBC, no boxer shall be considered as, or claim any privileges associated with, being a mandatory challenger unless (i) the boxer has been officially designated as such by the WBC President or the President’s designated representative, and (ii) the WBC Board of Governors has voted to authorize or ratify the designation of such boxer as mandatory challenger.

    Suspension or Revocation of Recognition Following Elimination Bout. Following an elimination or final elimination contest, the WBC may revoke recognition of the winner of such bout as a qualifying or mandatory challenger if: (i) the WBC in its sole discretion determines that (a) the outcome of the match was controversial or irregular or (b) despite winning the bout, the winner’s performance was unsatisfactory or did not demonstrate sufficient merit to advance; (ii) a winner remains inactive for an extended period in advance of his final elimination or championship bout; or (iii) it otherwise serves the best interests of the sport.

    So unless Whyte is inactive with WBC after being awarded the interim champion status, or unless AJ goes for unification, or if Whyte fails any drug tests, or is unfit etc then Whyte is unlikely to lose it. And the champion should carry out one mandatory defense per year.

    And as for Whyte getting his shot:

    All WBC champions shall make at least one (1) mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole discretion.

    But Wilder is unavailable and that why winner of Whyte/Breazeale gets the Interim Champion award, where:

    For the avoidance of doubt, a WBC Interim World Championship shall be considered a true WBC World title for all purposes, other than with respect to a bout versus the actual World Champion, absent any order to the contrary from the WBC in its sole discretion.
     
  6. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    Well fair enough, Whyte doesn't automatically lose his mandatory position with the WBC if he fights as WBO mandatory. But it seems like a lot comes down to their own discretion, giving them free reign to make it up as they go along.

    But at the risk of repeating myself, in this instance, if Whyte fights Joshua as WBO mandatory challenger and loses I don't think he'll be kept as WBC mandatory challenger. If he were to beat Joshua then I'm unsure. So I'll admit I've backtracked slightly from yesterday, but don't think anybody's been proved right or wrong here, since there are rules in place that allow for the rules to be changed. But that's boxing for you eh.
     
  7. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    Wbc like the British government
    making it up as they go along
    you could put sillyman as pm and Teresa as the wbc President
    i swear no one would notice
     
  8. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Well I concede some things are up to their discretion, but somethings are laid down quite clear for example Whyte for many years was #1 in WBC and thought he deserved the mandatory, but it states in the regulations that you are not a mandatory challenger just because you are #1. So fair play to WBC.

    And I am not playing a game of proving right or wrong, I genuinely want to know because I believe contrary to you, if Whyte goes for WBO mando fight with AJ I don't believe he loses anything with the WBC.

    I doubt he will have signed up for that.
     
  9. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Well there is room for them to make things happen at their discretion, but the WBC regulations sheet gives quite a lot of detail... and a lot of things that can't be changed. So if they don't follow things that are laid down in black and white in the document you can sue WBC.
     
  10. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    nope you can't not in Mexico / Vegas im afraid
    and they make the rules as they go along
    check the weight policies now they have clen boy as the fraudulent mw champ
    how long you followed the wbc tell me who as been successful in bring ing them to account lol
     
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  11. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    We'll need to see what Whyte does when the WBO mandatory is called.
     
  12. Smudge_

    Smudge_ Teak tough Full Member

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    Yes, that was my understanding of it anyway. He still fought for the WBC diamond belt in the WBSS but I suppose that was the WBC just wanting a sanctioning fee, but he did lose his mandatory position for the full title.
     
  13. cfckieran

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    Unless its a proper stacked undercard making this fight PPV would be criminal.
     
  14. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    I agree, too early to tell, it will likely go to purse bids and then depending who promotes it we'll see what other fighters can jump on the card.
     
  15. PaddyGarcia

    PaddyGarcia Trivial Annoyance Gold Medalist Full Member

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    Does the stable exist for that to be PPV, AJ's card to be PPV and for an 02 fight in April as well!?

    Taylor and Allen can only fight so often
     
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