Who in your opinion was the greatest Super Featherweight? H2H? Resume wise? Dominance? Would you pick an older fighter like Flash Elorde or a modern fighter such as Lomachenko?
Concur....but Sandy Saddler (Jr. Ltweight Champ) & Willie Pep did fight up in the 130 lb range. "On Dec. 6, 1949, Saddler won the vacant junior lightweight title on a 10 round decision over Orlando Zulueta at Cleveland and defended it twice before the l30-pound weight class was dropped in 1951. It was restored in 1959." http://www.njboxinghof.org/sandy-saddler/
Greatest I wouldn't be able to accurately comment on, but there are several monsters that live there at their best... Camacho Chavez Saddler Arguello Thats a list of very impressive killers. All their best weight. Take your pick. Obviously there are others that you can make a case for.
Don’t have the time to break down resumes of guys who fought at that weight and how many of their fights took place at that limit to determine greatest right now....but I don’t think of anyone that I can see beating Floyd at this weight off of the top of my head.
Had similar thoughts. Floyd at his best, probably beats any 130 , ever. But his resume is a lot thinner there than some of the names in this thread. A bit like SMW. A lot of folks would rank Calzaghe as the greatest super MW, but Roy passed through the 168 on his way up, and the best version of Roy at SMW probably beats any SMW, ever. There's greatest. And there's best. If Floyd wasn't the greatest junior lightweight, he was certainly the best. (And I was a big fan of Arguello).
Floyd would have trouble with the other killlers that reside there. Arguello has the least chance of the ones I mentioned, being slower and too orthodox.
Arguello's resume is the best, pretty clearly. The names are stacked and basically Arguello finished all of them. Head to head? Mayweather maybe, although Camacho was scary good. I can't say Camacho beat enough guys to put him over Mayweather. Azumah Nelson is a hard guy to rate here as well. His resume is strong at 130, but he did have a number of fights where he looked pretty vulnerable. But then again, he had a number of fights where he loked absolutely beastly.
Arguello's got the ferocious 4, but Mayweather's 130lb championship resume might be more consistent from top to bottom. I think Armstrong has a better 130lb resume than either of them, tbh.
Yeah, I agree. Comes down to H2H v achievement. H2H Floyd would probably be no. 1 (although Sandy Saddler would have a pretty good case now I think of it) but resume-wise, it’s Arguello.
I’ve never really put pen to paper and made an actual list at any weight. Only some loose ranking in the back of my head. I do commend you guys who attempt what must be a really difficult, time consuming...ultimately really fun process. I think it’s Argüello who takes it on resume alone. But Floyd’s is exceptional in it’s own right. Homicide Hank and Sandy Saddler are right there too. But then I can’t help but thinking I’d have to incorporate a mythical H2H if I were to do a list. My love for the sport and these fighters just doesn’t allow me not to. In that case I’d guess Floyd’s blend of style, speed and skill could possibly spell trouble for Alexis. But then I’d guess that if a murderer like Saddler could do what he did to Willie Pep...he certainly wouldn’t be deterred by anything Floyd could throw at him. I got Saddler in that one to track him and maul him inside 10 rounds. I’d probably take Armstrong to eventually overwhelm Floyd as well over 15 rounds as well. Hmmm, now that I think about it...I’m 5 minutes into making my first list ever and I already have a migraine. I’m calling it a night, boys!
On resume at the weight and quality of title reign, it's Arguello. He hammered a decent champion in Escalera, and the next four guys who held the WBC belt after Alexis vacated it (Navarette, Boza-Edwards, Chacon and Limon) were all beaten inside-schedule during his tenure. In terms of who was the perfect fighting machine at the weight and likely to beat all others on the list (Arguello, Saddler, Nelson, Elorde, Chavez etc.), then it's Mayweather - and his own resume at 130 ain't too shabby either. Either way, Arguello and Mayweather are a clear one and two here, and interchangeable depending on what floats your boat. Saddler's title reign at 130 was more of a pit stop, and Chavez seldom looked at his best at the weight either, despite racking up plenty of title defences and beating some good names. So my Super-Featherweight bronze medal would go to Zoomy.