What does Wilder do?

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  1. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Yeah, he's not turned into a bad promoter overnight but, like everyone, he has his flaws and until now those flaws have not hindered him. He's smart enough to reassess his approach, but is he humble enough? Should have a word with AJ about staying humble, perhaps? lol
     
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  2. dinovelvet

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    Wilder will keep defending the title against C-levellers all the way into the hall of fame. Isn't that what Vitali Klitschko done :confundio:
     
  3. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Well at least Vitali had the balls to fight Lewis, none of this I deserve 50/50 garbage. Vitali took his shot, lost and regrouped. Wilder or more likely his handlers have yet to show that level of confidence in him.
     
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  4. RT7

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    How can they have rights to a rematch that hasn't been made yet? Rematch clause was likely if fury won which he didn't? (We know he did but not according to record)
     
  5. Holler

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    I understand but disagree on what's happened, why Hearn adopted the approach and what the consequences are.

    In the past year. DAZN entered a mature market. A significant challenge, most new ventures fail, in a mature market even moreso. They're threatening the viability of the industry PPV model. If they succeed, Showtime will follow HBO and ESPN will have to duke it out as the sole streaming competition with their costs and revenue impacted.

    Imagine you're in the marketing meeting prior to DAZN launch, as a game changer they either go big or go home. Eddie Hearn had to declare war and that's exactly what he did. He played the cocky Brit taking on the American establishment. He aimed to ruffle feathers, get people's noses bent out of shape, draw withering responses from the likes of Espinoza or Arum. He needed that conflict, needed fans arguing online etc. because it helped to announce this new platform and start to give it an identity in the market place. It helped to say, 'these guys are new, they don't care who they offend and they're in this to win'. Job done.

    Now, did he **** people off? Yes! Would that stop any of the serious players from working with him if the deal is right? No, of course it wouldn't. Just look at Di Bella who has been the butt of Eddie's withering tongue for months but suddenly they have a fight to promote and look who is sharing a stage? In business you have to deal with all sorts, in boxing even more so. They're all pro's and whatever they say to reporters, when it comes to business they focus on the bottom line. If they didn't they wouldn't be where they are now.
     
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  6. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    There's all sorts of things you can put in a contract. Doesn't mean they're enforceable, but someone at Showtime thinks they own this rematch fight. Do they? One for the lawyers probably.
     
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  7. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Yeah he did. And got that badly wrong...
     
  8. Holler

    Holler Doesn't appear to be a paid matchroom PR shill Full Member

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    How so?
     
  9. Red Hulk40

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    Whyte , Povetkin next
     
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  10. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    Burned all his bridges in the US, motivated his rival promoters to actively not want to work with him by making it personal and all about him not his fighters (you think calling Finkel, 'Shirley Winkle' and pissing off Haymon is an adult way to do business and likely to make deals easier?), drove another network to recruit Fury in order to weaken Hearn's position, which has adversely affected AJ: Matchroom's cash cow, brand leader and the person who employs Hearn to promote his career. He's even been nudged to one side within DAZN, with arguably Canelo and ODH the A-side now within that business model.

    As it stands, Wilder will keep earning a similar purse as before (okay not the best but still not a backward step), with the possibility of fighting Fury again for much more (Warren and Finkel have shown they can do business, so it's a possibility), Fury has netted an $80m multi-fight deal which is not reliant on AJ, and Joshua has been forced to cancel the April date, which according to reports was booked by his company and not Matchroom, and forced to fight in the states against mediocre opposition in the form of Miller, to help Hearn's career as much as his own and clearly not AJ's first choice as the April date at Wembley testifies.

    I'm sure Anthony Joshua Promotions will not find making these fights as tricky, once he sets it up. He's been learning the ropes managing the likes of Okolie and by all accounts is pretty sharp on the business side of boxing. So yeah, Hearn's ego looks like the fly in the ointment, as it always was going to be.

    He fronted up the entire landscape of American boxing and sports broadcasting and told them he was taking over. Is it any surprise they came out fighting?

    Humble pie is the only way out of the corner he's backed himself into, we'll see if he's prepared to moderate his approach to the US boxing market to get out of it.
     
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  11. Tyistall

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    You guys are crazy if you think a purse bid will successfully happen now between Wilder and Fury. First off, it's not a fight for a mandatory so Fury can walk if he wants to with no penalty. Second, if it did go to purse bid, you know DAZN will come in and buy the entire thing and that would blow up the fight too haha. Third, Wilder has already said he will fight on May 18th with or without Fury so you should know that the Wilder vs Kownacki fight will be next, with Whyte vs Breazeale being fought out because Wilder will not go to the UK to fight Whyte and Breazeale saying he needs a fight before the Wilder fight.
     
  12. Hurrikeen

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    Whilst from the outset this appeared to be the case, it's since been confirmed that fighting Miller on DAZN will result in AJ's biggest payday to date - c£25m - so I don't think binning off the Wembley date is all that disappointing for both AJ and Hearn.
     
  13. Tyistall

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    Also, you guys are trying to spin this like AJ is left out in the cold or he will be hurting to find a good opponent but he is about to sellout MSG and earn 30 million fighting a top 6 opponent in the world. Have I missed something here? Because that basically tics every box. Making millions, defending belts, selling out arenas.
     
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  14. DoubleJab666

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    I mean, I agree with you and I was asked to list my reasons for criticising Hearn and clearly he's not turned into a failure overnight. But after Miller, who next if the Fury and Wilder fights are off the table, as they appear to be right now? Pulev? Whyte? Uysk? All decent fights but AJ wants to unify and fight the best this era has to offer and right now both those goals are looking way less likely. Would those fights have been made had Hearn been a little more subtle in his approach to the states? Who knows for sure. I'm just saying I don't think his bull in a china shop persona helps....
     
  15. Holler

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    I think Shelley Finkel cares more about making money for himself and his client than he does about what Eddie Hearn says on an IFL interview.

    You think ESPN spent 80m in order to 'weaken Hearn's position'?

    Please be serious.

    Have you any evidence to back this up?

    This is the same AJ that just recently resigned with Matchroom?

    None of your points stack up. It's as if you dislike Eddie Hearn so much that you lose all objectivity when you discuss him.
     
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