Ring's May 2017 Issue The Greatest All Time Heavyweights.

Crummy ... the usual suspects not determining between H2H and significance .. seriously, Marciano over Lennox Lewis ?

 

While I don’t rate Marciano over Lewis (and find 11 very poor by their consensus) I think you can make a case for it and some respectable posters on here do.

 

What is the argument for a 5' 10" 185 pound fighter with a 67" reach who never even fought a prime top fifty fighter over 200 pounds defeating a prime Lennox Lewis H2H ?

 

Lol! I didn’t realize you rated H2H. I do once in a while but mostly for fun. My official rankings are based on legacy/resume/accomplishment and I rate Lewis 4 and Rocky 10...what I meant was some guys rate him higher based upon resume, and I think an argument/case could be made for that even though I don’t.

H2H is too arbitrary and subjective for me to take anyone’s list (my own included) to seriously.

 

Not having Lewis in the top 10 is a pretty glaring omission. He may not be everyone's flavor but he beat alot of good fighters and had good longevity.

 

That was my first impression also, I can't put either man over Foreman, and I can't put Marciano that high either ,ahead of Holmes?

 

Johnson and Dempsey we're great fighters but the only way I can see them being ranked over guys like Lewis, Tyson, Holmes etc would be if things other than ring accomplishments were part of the criteria. Impact on the sport or the social impact.

 

I think Dempsey is way too high. Corbett? Way too high, even if we are talking legacy only. The top five are not bad, and Dempsey aside, the next 6 are reasonable. I think Wlad did enough to rate higher.

I consider this based on accomplishment in their own era, not h2h bringing in size, which is an entirely different matter.

 

Strange that Corbett is so high. No mention of Walcott, Charles or even Patterson but Corbett?

And Lennox Lewis outside the Top 10 is strange as well.

Decent list outside of the above critiques.

 

So John L. Sullivan is one of your top heavyweights of all time ? If you rate on sociological impact it is Sullivan, Johnson, Louis and Ali ... along that line of thought Marciano who retired undefeated is unquestionably ahead of Lewis who was the greatest super heavyweight that ever lived but not nearly as historic a figure.

 

Not sure if you are talking to me? I don’t believe I ever rated Sullivan in my top 10, nor does this list? I also don’t remember even hinting st sociological impact in any system? I’m confused at the minute?

 

The two means of rating fighters are H2H or how they dominated their time and impacted their era. When it's blended it's pretty worthless.

 

Where does resume? Factor in? Kind of the primary rating for me. Accomplishment? Longevity ? Ranked opposition etc. I don’t rate on impact or h2h?

 

Resume and longevity factor into how they dominated their time ( as they fought in their era ) ... it's not that complicated.