JOSHUA AND STEROIDS!!! Hearn dodging TUE accusations; hanging AJ out to dry! WHYTE goes public!

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  1. Potato80

    Potato80 A potato Full Member

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    Kudos to Rob Tebbutt for asking something closer to the right question at 4:36! Hearn clearly avoids giving a clear answer. Tebbutt asks about TUEs in general terms, Hearn answers about something different...

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    Hearn is beginning to distance himself from AJ with regards TUE's; quote "I don't really get involved". Eddie Hearn doesn't really get involved, despite then listing in detail the testing AJ has?! I thought the "doesn't really get involved" comment is key. Why on earth would he say that!? He's AJs promoter and AJ is being publicly accused of having at least one TUE, but he "doesn't really get involved"!?

    Hearn said this cos he wants to have a defendable position when the inevitable scandal happens. Also watch his demeanor during that portion of the video: sullen quiet and subdued all of a sudden. Then perks back up when the topic moves on!

    We're now one step away from someone asking the only question that needs to be asked: a direct question if AJ has ever been granted a TUE, and what the details of this are.

    Alternatively, they could ask Hearn or AJ to give their thoughts on the Bradley Wiggins scandal and the sense that he and his team used TUEs to gain a potentially unfair advantage. What is their opinion of TUEs in professional sport and boxing....

    Come on Rob, Koogs, TBV: one more question!
     
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  2. Paranoid Android

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  3. Potato80

    Potato80 A potato Full Member

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    Correct! Mayweather almost certainly lead the way with this in boxing.

    It'll be exposed in due course, when the testing and the ethics are more sophisticated, and there's some agreement about how to police and report on it.

    Which is exactly why AJ said yesterday that he could be found out to have taken PEDs within the next ten years (but that it would have been "an accident!").

    I should note that I think the above is in addition to the steroids/HGH/whatever he took after the Olympics when he had the mysterious untested 'year out' and suddenly added on a tonne of pure muscle.

    So I think theres two or three phases:
    1. Year or so after the Olympics: using banned substances at least. Massive muscle gain.
    2. Title challenge (from Whyte to Klitschko/Takam): banned substances and/or TUEs. Odd HGH gut prominent.
    3. From Takam to Miller: TUEs. Looking less swollen, significant reduction in punch power.
     
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  4. Tazz

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    Why would a promoter get involved in a fighters training, or whether they may or may not apply for a TUE?

    If anyone would be able to answer a question about TUEs it would be the fighter, trainer or manager. Either way, obtaining a TUE is not against the rules.
     
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  6. Potato80

    Potato80 A potato Full Member

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    I think my post was alluding to the grey area that TUEs currently sit in: under-policed and open to abuse.

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    obtaining a TUE is against rules, after all. It would be interesting and important to know if he has been granted one, and why.

    Hearn apparently knows the intimate detail of AJs testing-schedule, but couldn't answer the TUE question. That's why him 'not knowing' is important: he seems to know about everything in detail except this issue.

    Believe me, any promoter worth his salt is gonna know every single detail of the biggest money-spinner in their company, and particularly something potentially damaging to their reputation and bottom line.
     
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  7. Holler

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    So he probably would know, but he's better off taking the line he has there. His job is to promote the fighter and move the discussion on from things which detract from him to things which move him forward. He can't talk about TUE's and neither can anyone else other than Joshua himself because they have a duty of confidentiality around medical matters. If AJ has a TUE he needs to disclose it to the testing authority and no-one else. He could choose to make it public, but anyone else doing that off their own bat is potentially in trouble.
     
  8. carlingeight

    carlingeight Active Member Full Member

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    The chances of Joshua 'wrongly' obtaining a TUE are close to zero. Those guys know exactly what they are doing.
     
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  9. Potato80

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    As in, they know how to get away with it? If so, I wholly agree. After the Wiggins and other scandals, it would be important to know the details though. I think there's something fishy going on
     
  10. Potato80

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    Perhaps, but if he's never had one he could just say 'he's never had one'! Why sow doubt and uncertainty by avoiding the question, if the answer is unequivocally clear?....
     
  11. carlingeight

    carlingeight Active Member Full Member

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    My thoughts are that they push the rules to the limits, without actually breaking them.

    I imagine there's stuff AJ takes now that is allowed, but will be on banned lists in future. Like what happened with meldonium.
     
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  12. Holler

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    Sets a precedent though, Eddie will confirm or deny TUE's on his boxers. The smart pr move is to say that side of things isn't my remit. Eddie is a smart guy.
     
  13. Gymbot

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    Hearn does tons of interviews. Why should he answer conspiracy theories based on something Miller has said.
    "I imagine". Nail on head...

    Nobody has a clue really. It's all conjecture and speculation without a shred of proof that anything untoward is going on.
     
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  14. BeaverDan

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    I think you're being a little unfair with your quoting here. He doesn't just answer the question "I don't really get involved" exactly how you suggest.

    The whole TUE thing is shady, but Joshua goes through stringent testing (more so than most other boxers) but you seem hell bent (as evidenced by your lack of proper quoting) on singling out one person.
     
  15. Potato80

    Potato80 A potato Full Member

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    I understand what you're saying, but I think it's highly likely his answer will be picked up on and dissected. It's too vague and evasive.