Joshua vs Wilder

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by Scissors, Mar 1, 2019.



  1. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Very good point
    This is just the same
     
  2. TonyHayers

    TonyHayers Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    I answered that by saying that pay packet would come with the proviso that Wilder ends up fighting Joshua which obviously does massive business.

    Unless you're massively overstating Fury's popularity, there's no way those sort of figures make sense. He's probably going to be in fights nobody wants to see, in front of poor crowds, with poor PPV sales, and the next fight down the line probably won't be anyone noteworthy either. ESPN aren't stupid; they're not going to throw a load of money at an unpopular, boring fighter just for the sake of it.
     
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  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Can't resist a dig at Tyson can you lol
     
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  4. Sephiroth Rising 7

    Sephiroth Rising 7 'No tears please!' banned Full Member

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    You needn't require to be mystic meg to see that Fury was always terrified of the idea of fighting Wilder again, just apply common sense and be able to be observant.

    Ever heard of the saying 'actions speak louder than words'?

    From the moment he booked that sob story tour, I knew without doubt he was ready to live off that moment of getting back off the canvas in the 12th round.

    He will milk it and keep telling the world ''everyone knows I won'' bs and will use that angle to justify hunting down bums

    He's already begging to fight Amir Khan in a freak show fight

    Before you know it he will be billed to fight the likes of
    Sefer Seferi. Oquendo, Takam and chisora.

    And he will ride the wave calling himself the lineal champion.
     
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  5. CutThroatFade

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    No the DAZN numbers do not add up at all. To cover the Wilder $15m purse DAZN would have to make well over a million new subscriptions (if we were to simplify things for the purposes of this discussion and assume that the purse money and subs have a direct correlation, which they must do anyway).

    That’s completely unrealistic when you consider that 15,000 streamed Joshua v Povetkin on DAZN, and Joshua is thought to have the larger global profile than Wilder.

    So now you are trying to say that the numbers are justified because it would lead to Joshua v Wilder? So what, are DAZN going to make another few million subs just for that?

    And where is the money coming from to cover Canelo’s purses? And GGG who is about to sign for DAZN?

    As I’ve said repeatedly the DAZN figures don’t add up when you look at it pragmatically unless DAZN decides to break its business model and put fights on PPV which I have predicted previously.

    Right now it’s like they have a Roman Abramovich type blank cheque owner.

    And I’m aware DAZN broadcasts many other sports. The numbers still won’t add up because then where is the money coming from to cover those broadcast deals?

    The Joshua and Hearn fanboys can’t stand the fact that Fury has signed such a lucrative deal. For some reason they take it personally and can’t stand the fact that Fury is going to make his family some serious dough.
     
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  6. Scissors

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    What about the people who are just gutted the best fights are even further away from happening?
     
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  7. CutThroatFade

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    Yes of course but honestly I’m not getting that feeling from certain posters. It genuinely seems to me that they can’t stand the fact that he has signed a lucrative deal which is no different to any boxer out there like Canelo.

    You could see it in Hearn’s face as well when he was speaking about it on IFL. All he said was a cutting sarcastic remark about how it’s a good thing the money will be going to charity.
     
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  8. tee_birch

    tee_birch Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's see if they offer him 16million to fight a bum.

    Arum said himself the contract is based on big PPV numbers.

    I hope Tyson makes as much money as he can but I am slightly sceptical
     
  9. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Why not sign the deal after fighting the rematch?

    What was the rush?

    The reason why we can't stand the deal is because it completely jeopardizes any chance of having to fight either Joshua or Wilder. In fact it completely eliminates any chance of those fights happening

    Unless of course they choose to sign up to ESPN and have them tied up in 5 fight deals which we know that is never going to happen because its stupid.
     
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  10. Scissors

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    Also the 15k thing is bollocks. That’s how many people downloaded the app that day on the App Store. It didn’t take in to account previous downloads, or the android store.

    The numbers add up for DAZN, it’s a great business model but they need to add more sports.

    Netflix is the closest thing to it - albeit very different. 150 million subscribers. If DAZN can get just 1% of the US population subscribing then its 30/36million dollars a month it’s pulling in. (Not sure if it’s 10/12 per month?)

    It can then afford the purses and everything else. They’ve probably accounted for taking a loss in the first couple of years.

    I’ve said before and I’ll say again that streaming is the future. It’s a shame the Premier League and Champions League (DAZN USA has this already) rights for the UK are already decided for the next 5 years or so because it would be great to pay a tenner a month to have all the footy/boxing and whatever else
     
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  11. Sephiroth Rising 7

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    Don't talk such nonsense. If Fury says he will make 100 million over 5 fights he will get it

    He will easily earn 20 million for giving Seferi a rematch :lol:
     
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  12. CutThroatFade

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    I’m assuming that Fury was offered the deal from Arum on the basis that he sign now since he has come out and said he wants Wilder and Fury to take interim bouts before the rematch. Like I said Fury has taken the money option which the majority of boxers take. Sucks for the fans but the fans aren’t going to pay to raise Fury’s kids.

    If Fury v Joshua or Wilder is to happen then one of the parties is going to have to compromise to make the deal which was always the case anyway given Fury was with BT.
     
  13. cfckieran

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    This. I'd love to have DAZN in the UK. I don't really watch much sport apart from Football, boxing and F1. I tried to get just the F1 channel from sky at my new house and was quoted £18 per month. If DAZN was twice the price in the UK it would be great value. Sadly I think that's a long way off and I do think they might in the next year or so look at PPV.
     
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  14. CutThroatFade

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    But for years the rhetoric from Hearn and Joshua has been that Wilder has a terrible fan base in America and is extremely unpopular? What’s changed? One fight with Fury? I don’t think so, that did 325k buys which is paltry for American boxing.

    Now all of a sudden Wilder is a mega star according to the same people who ridiculed his popularity and purse money previously.

    It’s laughable. If I was sad I would dig out some posts from certain posters months back and the hypocrisy would be insane.
     
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  15. cfckieran

    cfckieran Member Full Member

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    It's just sh!t that TV deals politics deprive the fans of the fights we want to see. Its a shame that there's not just 1 boxing organisation who's televised rights go up for grabs every couple of years. All non title fights are split 50/50 and championship fights go in 60/40 in favour of the champion. Would never happen but would be perfect. Bit like the UFC model.