WTF does "breh" mean? Yes I do say you are doing this for Marciano and several others believe it too! Want to know why I included that bit on Dempsey? Happy to oblige,you've had a crusade going here for some time now,[it actually seems like years] defending old time greats against non-existant attacks. I mentioned Dempsey because I wanted to show I don't downplay Marciano's chances against modern heavies because of size alone. Unlike you "Rockista's ,"who when asked how Rocky would beat modern super heavies say ,"he would find away,his short stature would work in his favour,his tiny reach would be an asset" and other sheer bollocks like that,I actually itemized where I thought Dempsey was superior to Marciano and therefore why he would have more success today! You have committed no crime ,just the sin of underestimating the intelligence of the rest of the Forum!
First off, that wasn't Louis best weight, nor his prime weight. Second, if anybody isn't saying Wilder is the biggest, they need to do a little soul searching on why they're being obtuse about such a simple question. There is no doubt what so ever that Wilder is the biggest of the group, and by a good margin. Just ask yourself, if you met all of them face to face, who would you come away with thinking the bigger man is. Sometimes it's not that simple, but in this case, it couldn't be more clear.
The biceps and calves are normally in proportion, Tyson looked like he had over developed biceps relative to his calves.
For the third time, yes, I am doing this for Marciano as well as every HW before the 80's. There is an argument made by many that they would struggle severely in todays sport because of size differences. Seems to be that you're the one arguing with ghosts.
You problem is when called on it, you were unable to prove evidence of that argument,which you used as a smokescreen to boost your guy Rocky.No argument ,no justification for yet another interminable ,meandering thread patently slanted towards your obsessive crusade Naah, I'm not arguing , its just amusing really.Your agenda is," in plain sight",and God knows you post little about anything else! Rockista Rez.lol McGrain said it best,"it's not important,it doesn't matter."
I don't really get where this thread is going with the utmost respect to Rez. Size is a significant advantage but superior skills will supersede it every day of the week. Superior size aligned with great skills means you're in for a tough night if you're the smaller fellow. Not necessarily insurmountable but difficult never the less. It's why I'm waiting for Oleksandr Usyk's move to heavyweight with great anticipation. He'll only be a moderate sized heavyweight but his talent is massive and I look forward to seeing him pitting his skills against the giants. I think he'll shock a few big guys too. We won't have seen his like since Holyfield stepped up to heavy (not saying he's as good as Evander but by gee he hasn't done much wrong either) and his entry to an already stacked division will be just another boost for the sport.
I feel Usyk would give most of the division a hell of a fight . He may well beat the likes of Parker,and Pulev,without adding any significant weight.
To what argument? That for the last ten years there has been a debate over whether or not modern heavyweights are too large for past heavyweights? Just because I don’t have enough time in the day to compile a long list of threads containing those debates, it doesn’t mean they don’t exist. I can take the time and find them in the next few days. I honestly didn’t think it was necessary since I figured it was obvious to everyone and their grandma that this debate has been going on for years. In fact, the debate happens so often, that when new threads emerge on the subject, people groan about the repetitiveness of the debate. And here you are saying it doesn’t even exist. A handful of the posters on this very thread are the most ardent supporters of the idea that modern HWs are too large for past HWs. Oddly enough, one of the largest supporters of this idea, MrKK, is one of the people asking for threads as proof. Since it’s amnesia season, I’ll compile the threads. Rocky isn’t in my top 5 favorite fighters. Not even my top 5 favorite heavyweights. You hate him more than I like him. He hasn’t even been mentioned in any of my posts or my polls. For the fourth time, since I guess you have the reading comprehension of a gnat, is that this issue effects hundreds of fighters, including Marciano. This “crusade” as you like to call it has more at stake for a fighter like Joe Louis than it does Rocky Marciano. Joe Louis was a better fighter, one of the best ever, and he is often discounted against modern HWs due to size differences. You’re obsessed with hating Marciano. You love it. And someone in your mind has to be the one representing him so that they can be the target of your obsessive hate. You say Marciano is my guy. If i have a guy, it’s Muhammad Ali. Who for the most part gets the praise and respect he deserves on this forum. Don’t get it twisted. Find another strawman to obscurely obsess about.
You don’t recall long and endless debates on this forum about older HWs being unable to hang with modern HWs due to size differences?
I've argued that many of the best 170--210lb heavyweights of the past likely would've had much harder times fighting during the past forty years than during their own eras (because of the difference in size and fighting styles). But I don't recall ever arguing that there would never be another elite heavyweight under 220lbs again. I don't think I've ever even picked any of the super-heavies over Tyson or Ali...