The forgotten great champions

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  1. Russell

    Russell Loyal Member Full Member

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    Ya'll ever see Ottke knock out someone besides Mundine? :lol:

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  5. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    What are you doing in this great thread, littering the pages?

    Dont tell me what others are doing. You have been schooled for doing this before

    No he wasnt. What he said just suits your failed agenda. The one I expose constantly

    What with the crowds and audiences those fighters were pulling. Pull the other one Loudon. Your trolling did fool me in the past but not since it was exposed

    Who are you referring to exactly? King? Arum? Tell me

    Bigger than the Asian networks? Think about your story now

    What Ali/Foreman? Or Rocchigiani/Maske, or what about Chavez/Haugen for a crowd?

    This is where you get confused with what a magazine tells you and what you can think for yourself
    Around that time? Sure some were but not in the division where the kingpins above were.

    A publication completely fools you and that is a shame. Maybe I shouldnt go there with you as you cant see through the mist
    Or maybe for financial reasons or maybe they just wanted to go there, but also many didnt and didnt need to. See the greats above.
    The champs had the opposition travel to them as you know, which you also know ruins your lack of an argument

    There you go again trying to speak for others. Dont try and speak for me. I have given solid examples above of champs who had the American challengers travel to them and chances are they are selectively forgotten

    The thread wasnt to remind. The real fans who are old enough know exactly who they are, it was for the ignorant. Hopefully you will have learnt a bit more from me
     
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  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whats that got to do with me? I dont care where you live.

    So what you have said here is that people could only focus and respect a boxer if they were from America lol, even though American challengers travelled to them?

    Ward wasnt leader of the pack when the Super 6 started, so you are wrong there and Ottke shouldnt be compared to Ward, his SMW resume is far greater.
    Ward decided against facing boxer movers like Bute, Degale, Dirrell
    also why wouldnt Ottke not be undefeated if he fought in America? He beat Mitchell, Brewer twice, Tate, G Johnson based in America to name a few.


    I compared the crowds of Wlad and Wilder and rightly so, look at the crowds Wlad was filling when fighting Schulz etc before he was a world champ. That dismisses your point right there.
    Michalczewski was the man who beat the man and who had won the belts, same ones Wlad had won by the way, seeing you use that to site something and Ottke had some claim

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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell me what their home towns were and where they were fighting?
    Wait for it
     
  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    So are you basing a whole career off of one fight? Did you do the same with Ward for example?
     
  9. bailey

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    Your English is so bad but you use words like mate to address someone? Interesting

    Michalczewski didnt make any such thing clear. I think it was Jones who wasnt interested in going to Germany
     
  10. bailey

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    I guess you are not familiar with the SMWs back then. You did say before how you got your info from what fans write on these pages so no real wonder
     
  11. Mitch87

    Mitch87 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Not basing his whole career on that, but I wouldn't call him forgotten because he will be remembered for being involed such a controversial/ disgraceful fight.
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    This comment here makes me think you didn't really know ottkes career.
    I wouldn't jump on that fight if someone mentioned ottkes, but would think of some of his good performances against fighter's like g Johnson or mitchell

    The Reid fight was very late in ottkes career when he was nearing the end. Really not where I would go when assessing a long reigning champion.
    I wouldn't instantly think of Hopkins's falling out of the ring against Allen when talking about his reign

    I wonder if you read comments on here then looked at that fight on YouTube and is probably the only one you can site. Of course I could be completely wrong but that's the impression I get
     
  13. ray fritz

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    Bailey thanks for all hard work you did great post great guy
     
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  14. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    bailey,

    Who's told you it was great?

    Now don't be silly.

    You've never schooled anybody on here.

    Yes, he was.

    Yes, the crowds were huge in some of their fights. They were very popular within that country. But we're talking globally. Globally, they went under the radar. In the U.S. they went under the radar.

    Yes, among others.

    You should know this. You were watching back then weren't you?

    HBO and Showtime.

    Ali-Foreman was in 1974.

    Why would you mention that in a thread regarding fighters from the 90's?

    Nobody has mentioned a magazine.

    Again, nobody has mentioned a magazine.

    You know full well why the following British fighters went there:

    Bruno, Benn, Lewis, Naz, Hatton, Calzaghe, Froch, Degale.

    I haven't got an argument. I've merely pointed out to you why they didn't gain more exposure, and why they aren't as remembered as much as other former fighters.

    You're always telling everybody that you lived through the era, and you're forever questioning other people on whether or not they had? If you really did live through the era, then you'd know that what I said was correct. You had to have known why they travelled. It's not just because they felt like it. They did it to enhance their careers.

    The thread wasn't to remind?

    The thread is titled:

    'The Forgotten Great Champions'

    I don't think I've learnt anything from you.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    Still trotting out the same old nonsense. But IF that was true, I wouldn't have got any info from you.

    Nobody but you would consider Ottke to have a better resume than Andre Ward?

    It's absolutely hilarious.