Repeatedly Jabbing Your Opponent In The Forearms. Is That A Scoring Shot?

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  1. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Yeah, thats about it. If the opposite is true then Adrien Broner really did beat Pacquiao because Pac-Man had to box that fools arms 90% of the fight.
     
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  2. thegoose86

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    I had it 118-110. It was clear Spence won. Sure there were a lot of blocked punches... but it was clear that spence out landed him with punches that did land. So, I don't really get the purpose of the thread, since I just seen that OP scored it for Spence too. I thought rounds 3 and 5 were close. Garcia didn't do anything wrong persay he just couldn't get into the range of rhythm he wanted. Both, guys fought the way they should have, Garcia lost the way he should have, he was able to roll with punches survive block and show good defence. Spence used his distance really really really extremely well. He didn't get the knockout but I have a feeling nobody is going to knock Garcia out.
     
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  3. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Yeah, no ****, which exactly why I scored the match for Spence in a lopsided fashion.:thumbsup:

    Like I said, the thread isn't just about that match. I've seen the same pattern with posters on Castano-Lara, Carroll-Farmer and 2 or 3 rounds of Spence-Garcia. They freak out and see one fighter flicking out a jab, an act as if that is a scoring punch, completely missing the fact that it is not breaking the guard and being caught on the forearms or forearm of his opponent. Lara beat the living crap out of Brian's arms, unfortunately for Lara, Brian beat the living crap out of his ribs. Just because one fighter is active, he doesn't reflexively win the round, he has to actually connect on something that counts, if they don't and his opponent does get through with 3 or 4 clean shots, they take the round.
     
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  4. CST80

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    You and I have a difference of opinion then, the story of the round has zero effect on me. If no one lands anything meaningful, I'd rather score it a 10-10 like I did with round one than give it to anyone. If anything the round may have leaned Garcia, since he actually connected more than Spence.

    Ring generalship means very little to me. Which is why I scored almost every round of Algieri-Provodnikov to Chris. He looked dreadful, but outworked him consistently.
     
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  5. CST80

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    I'm just addressing a pattern I've seen cropping up more and more, it got really annoying tonight, since I was basically accosted by goons on the RBR for saying Mikey never had a chance had he actually won the fight. Doesn't it seem like 1 of the 3 judges could have found 1 ****ing round for Mikey?Not even asking for 2 or 3, which is how many it could be argued that he won. :lol:
     
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  6. IsaL

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    I agree 100%
     
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    In a round where neither guy lands anything of note... but the other guy controlled the other more and is dictating the fight to him, I just dont see how how he shouldnt be considered to have not objectively gotten the better of the round. He objectively has more control of the fight and is putting in work that has tangible effects on the opponent and the fight in his favor. Its not even.

    Counting punches landed as the be all end all of who is winning the round or fight seems too simplistic and incomplete.

    As usual though its to each their own I suppose... I hate boxings subjectivity but its nice to know certain peoples scoring criteria, as it helps to establish an understanding (even if we strongly disagree) as to how we can have such drastically different scores.
     
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  8. bandeedo

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    neither did **** first rd, but i thought spences **** stunk less than mikeys, so i gave him the rd. second rd. was definately mikeys rd.
     
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  9. CST80

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    I had it 10-10, and I RARELY hand those out.
     
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  10. CST80

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    That's like saying Hatton deserved to win a large chunk of rounds against Floyd though, and he barely won one. Hatton was full bore charging like a mad bull and yeah kind of dictating the pace and ushering Floyd where he wanted him, strong arming and manhandling him at times. Yet he wasn't landing hardly anything. Let's face it, like Max says, "the story of that fight" was, that Floyd looked like ****, but he still won almost every round on my card, because he was landing the cleaner punches. Hatton landed a shitload on his forearms though..... What do you do about that scenario?
     
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  11. vast

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    A lot of Spences punches seemed to miss the mark or were low, but were counted.

    That being said Errol beat the chit outta him.
     
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  12. bailey

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    Only my opinion but I would say not, but people see what they want to see to a degree when scoring, so no jabbing to the forearm isn't scoring but it can be keeping the opponent from not doing anything, so the jabs to the forearms could win rounds if they are the only thing landing and the opponent is just covering and not landing anything. The ring generalship argument
     
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    Id have to rewatch a specific round to give you a proper genuine opinion on that, but off the top of my head.... I think the difference there is that, in many of the rounds Hatton was making it ugly, Mayweather was landing the significantly better punches... Hatton was trying, but Mayweather was still getting the better of it, enough to make Hattons attempts at dictating rather negligible.

    Whereas in the Spence Garcia fight... the landed punches were almost practically the same or perhaps a 1 punch difference between them, but with Spence controlling everything else about that round (outside of a small burst from Garcia) and visibly dictating the action in an otherwise evenish round.

    So its hard for me to compare those two fights because I view them as too different, with one fighter (mayweather) making a bigger mark in the rounds with actual landed shots, than in the Spence vs Garcia early rounds.
     
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  14. CST80

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    I wasn't intentionally comparing or tying that directly to the Spence fight, even though I kind of did.:lol: I was just throwing another scenario out there and seeing how you viewed that.

    Also personally I didn't think either guy had the upper hand or dictated the pace in the first three rounds of the fight, FWIW.I viewed them all as fairly tactical and feel out rounds.
     
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  15. titanic

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    It counts as punches thrown but does not count as punches landed IMO
     
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