Deontay Wilder set to turn down 100 mill Dazn offer

Dangerous game to play though, he could lose or Joshua could lose at any time.

The idea that he doesn't wants to be a free agent is a little ludicrous it's only a 3 fight deal, 18 months from now and he's a free agent again. He had no issue signing away his autonomy to Haymon, happy to agree to 2 fights deals such as Fury/Wilder, why does 1 extra fight make this being tied down?

It's a duck, he can spin it how he likes but it's still a duck. If he wants more money then he should go back to DAZN with a counter offer, 2 fight deal, only Joshua, for however much he wants, that's how negotiations work such as the Joshua/Whyte negotiations which went back and forth with Hearn offer 3 separate deals, but instead Wilder just rejects any deal of a fight and doesn't want to continue negotiations.

 

In those few years he will be nearly 36 years old past his prime and if he loses he’s done. If giving yourself the best chance possible ain’t important and earning more than $100m is then fine. The fight has to sell over 2m PPVs both fights for it generate anywhere near enough money to pay both guys as let’s remember AJ is the a side if Wilder is getting $40m AJ is getting $60m for that fight. And Joshua will want the money garaunteed not based on buys. Plus he will want the UK PPV money as his own.

He’s insane to turn it down and in my opinion will never earn that money on PPV considering he did 325k PPV buys with the second best heavyweight why would anyone think it’s going to do 10 times that realistically.

 

Has anybody noticed the Wilder fans seem to of stopped talking about the belts or undiputed. Its just about the money all the time and considering they are only talking about the money they are trying to defend Wilder turning this deal down which includes 3 fights that he said he wanted. Breazeale then a 2 fight deal against Joshua. Its just madness, the only angle i can see it from where it makes sense is DUCKERY.

The only thing i can think is if Haymon and Finkel have told Wilder they themselves can guarantee him more than DAZN.

 

I don't think Wilder wants to fight Joshua at all to be honest, but if he does, it will probably be the last 2 fights of his career. In that respect he is in a strong position, because Joshua wants to make his mark, and to that he wants to be undisputed. That desire will always push Joshua and Matchroom to keep making Wilder offers. As long as he holds the WBC belt, that won't change.

Realistically, who can Wilder fight that will beat him. The WBC won't mandate any opponents that Wilder doesn't want, and Al Haymon has enough control over their rankings to give him an endless supply of easy but sanctioned opponents.

The big risk for Wilder in my opinion is that Joshua loses interest in the fight, stops making offers and the fight doesn't happen.

 

He didn't beat fury though did he? The cards show a draw, we all know fury schooled him

 

There's no way that can offer him more, Showtime's whole annual budget is less than that deal. But Wilder may not be aware of that and is being led down the garden path.

It's quite amazing the control or loyalty Haymon has over his fighters. Another person recently suggested to me it's down to race. Haymon is painting Hearn and DAZN as the "white" man who you can't trust and that it's better to stick with your own people namely black Americans. Much like how King used similar tactics to drive a wedge between Mike Tyson and his managers Cayton and Jacobs, Haymon is using the race angle to keep his fighters on his side. Some of Wilder's comments about Joshua and his working relationship with Hearn seems to confirm that and Miller's comments about Joshua being an Uncle Tom would also seem to share that view of the Joshua/Hearn relationship.

So Haymon tells Wilder, Hearn and DAZN, the "white men" can't be trusted and that he won't get that $100 mill or that they'll screw him over some how and Wilder of course believes him, because "Uncle Al would never lie to me, he's a brother right?"

 

That's a disgusting idea but very likely some truth to it. Wilders irrational outrage in interviews mentioning the suffering of "his people" fits perfectly with that theory.

 

So why does Wilder have Shelly Finkle ?
And please don’t pretend as if Joshua dosen’t hold some pretty far right views when it comes to race....

Do you remember the Eddie Chambers and Robert Mugabe gaffes’s from the “humble one” ?
I also used to watch Joshua’s snapchat a lot before and what he used to teach one of his nieces about race would also suprise you. Trust me Joshua is no better than Wilder or Miller when it comes to these things. He just hides his real views in private.

 

Very true as AJ has the luxury of being the money fight

 

The funny thing is Wilder thinks history will be kind to him whether or not he fights Joshua. It won't much in the same way it hasn't been to Riddick Bowe.

 

That's the ironic thing about it, Wilder has Finkel, DiBella, even his trainer Jay Deas, much like Tyson had Atlas, Rooney. But such views of course are irrational, applying logic to such views is pointless because it's based in the irrational.

As for Joshua, yes he clearly has some strange views on race that don't fit the mainstream. Difference is though Joshua won't allow that to prevent him succeeding or self sabotaging his career and yes part of that is hiding his real views from the public.

 

We really need to give Wilder a break he probs really should have lost his last two fights but because it was his show things were done to ensure he kept his belt.

Poor Old man Ortiz had him out on his feet and he need a "special champs break" to ensure he was ok and well we all how he drew with fury last fight lol..

In this case draw seems to mean getting comprehensively outboxed and made to look silly..

So there is no way he is going to someone else's show cause he isn't going to get his "special" treatment to ensure he doesn't lose..

As he has so on Twitter he pretty much above he isn't giving his belt away unless he doesn't have to fight again, 100 million isn't that number..

What will happen is he will keep fighting on his 2 million show and if his team does underestimate a opponent like the last two they will ensure he gets the win..

 

The reason that Wilder has Finkle is that for the last 150 years the tribe from whom Finkle is a part and blacks can unite against the perceived common enemy: think Cossell and Ali. The naacp was founded by “the tribe”. Tribe members are infamous / notorious for their financial...ahem...”creativity” Think Lefty Rosenthal and the Italian mob. Both people groups profit immensely from the other without ever having to do too much with one another in daily affairs. In fact, there were many ***ish merchants, brokers and ship owners that facilitated the Atlantic slave trade but for some odd reason we don’t seem to hear to much about their roles in it...

 

50 MILLION DOE. 50 MILLION. 50 MILLION.

WAIT.

 

Man. Wilder is too proud. When he feels like he has been done wrong he holds grudges. AJ and Hear and now with Fury.

I've been dying to see AJ vs Wilder for like 3 years. But don't think we will see it until next year.

I have a sneaky suspicion, Wilder was confident at the Spence fight, I think he is going coax Wlad out of retirement after the Brezeale fight. It's the only other fight that could be put on PPV besides Fury/AJ and maybe Whyte that would move the needle.

Makes sense for Wlad. He sees all this money coming into boxing. Guy is still in freakishly great shape. Probably think he could beat Wilder easily and he never held the wbc belt and that's the most important belt.

Just a gut feeling.

Wilder's next 3 fights: Brezeale (Mando), Klitschko, Whyte (Mando).

AJ's next 3: Miller, Puluv(if ibf calls his mando), Ortiz if not, Uysk.

Fury's next 3: Rivas, Parker, Puluv if he doesn't get AJ.

We will see if they are all still undefeated after this.