You think Algieri can't crack an egg because he doesn't often hurt other pro fighters. I guarantee you that Algieri hits a tonne harder than the average man that works out.
Exactly the OP doesn't understand weight training for different sports. Dead lifts and squats are good for boxing not bicep curls and heavy bench press.
I hit a lot harder than I did when I didn't do weights and strength exercises. You have to do it the right way but I know from my own personal experience it does help a lot.
nope, thats not how it works, i dont care how many advanced degrees youve got on the subject. what you describe is only applicable if youre punching straight up, where your own weight is no longer part of the equation and only strength of muscle determines how much force you can apply to an opposing object. when you punch forward, balance and base weight determine how much force you can apply. strong legs are crucial in that they can increase speed to the transfer of energy, by pushing your body, shoulders and arm in the direction of the target as your shoulders and arm are simultaneously building speed with their own movements. explain to me how any of that is wrong. im always willing to change my stance when proven wrong.
I think you’re agreeing with me, strong legs are crucial. Getting your legs strong allows you to move faster with putting force into the ground, that is a large factor in what happens at the other end of the kinetic chain. The thing you’ve got wrong there is simultaneous movement, a punch needs to be sequential starting from the ground. Simultaneous is a pushing movement, not a throwing movement as a punch is meant to be. Each previous segment needs to stop to allow the stretch and recoil of the next segment. That’s why a powerful punch is like a whip, it’s accelerating at the point of impact. A pushing punch (Tim Bradley comes to mind) is slowing down at the point of impact. A big part of the weight training benefit is the stiffness it creates in tendons. If you keep the same range of motion and stiffen your tendons, that recoil and whip is more powerful. It’s a thick rubber band compared to a thin rubber band. Tendons are responsible for power generated, the muscle strength is needed to stretch the tendons. Not muscle size, but strength. Excess cross sectional area is muscle fibre oriented in a way that is adjacent to the line of force that is desired, so it can take away power.
Not gonna lie... I know it goes against conventional wisdom but I personally do feel they benefit me. Obviously if a fighter overdoes it to the point his muscles become too large... it makes him stiff, slows him down, and saps his stamina. But with moderation and done properly I feel they benefit.
Why would medicine ball throws not be helpful? Its also an exercise that many top pros incorporate into their routines. They are all wrong?
not only do you not understand training, you dont understand technique. what do you think would happen if all your movements followed a chain? how long do you think it would take me to time you, never mind a professional? it is your body doing several movements at once, usually ending simultaneously at full extension of the arm at one end, and a little twist of the toes at the other. some people are born with the natural ability to control all those muscle groups more efficiently, so less energy is lost in the transfer. sure, dense bones, rigid tendons, fast twitch fibers, etc... are all parts of the equation, but they are less important factors.
Pretty much every top level pro lifts weights to some degree. Joshua, Wilder, Canelo, Usyk, Loma, Fury etc all lift weights. Even a guy as old school as Hopkins saw the benefits when he moved up to light heavy. Some boxing coaches look down at weights because they don't understand how it benefits a fighter or how to train their fighter in using them properly for their benefit and so dismiss it as not being useful. Most top pros will have a separate strength and conditioning coach as well as their main boxing trainer. And let's be clear what the average gym rat does to look good will not look anything like how a boxer will incorporate weights into their training. Far less reliance on traditional weight training methods, more focus on movements that are specifically designed to aid a boxer.
Boxing is about natural strength and fighting where you are best suited. lifting weights usually does not work. Pazienza I guess did a little with that, but usually it does not work. It is being toned and using speed without the weight of muscles to wear you down or make you tired, as it takes more energy to supply those muscles. Wasn't there a heavyweight once who was named Mike Williams? I get that name in my head. Good body and all that, but he didn't amount to much.
Slow down a video of Golovkin or Kovalev punching, and see if all the segments are moving simultaneously. This isn’t a debate, a punch is a throwing movement, just like a kick is. This is biomechanics, basic movement. Don’t tell me what I don’t understand when I’ve been very polite to you while providing you and others a basic education for free. A whole body movement with something touching the ground while the other end is free to move is the kinetic chain. It’s engineering terminology applied to human movement.
What on earth is ‘natural strength’? Being toned is just a fitness buzz word, that doesn’t mean anything. If you have a low body fat percentage you will look ‘toned’. Muscles are functional weight, it is contractile and adds to force applied. It’s not adipose tissue. Great example, now look at all the heavyweight champions who do lift weights.
you should get your money back for the education you did get, you got shafted. theres a whole thread done this week on the mechanics involved in how you are taught to throw a jab. go read it and then come back here and say its not simultaneous movement. this is boring. youve said all you got to say, and ive said all i need to say, and people can see where the logic is failing. im comfortable with that.
A whole thread invalidates universal biomechanical principles, basic physics? Wow, your Nobel prize is on the way. A jab is mostly a pushing movement, every other punch isn’t. You should get a refund from your creator for providing you with a ****** level IQ. No wonder you thought Mikey was elite, ****ing jail rat.
lmao! thanks for making the contrast between us so much more apparent. now weve both been measured and weighed, in front of the whole forum.
