Top 20 Heavyweights

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    HW.
    1. Muhammad Ali
    2. Joe Louis
    3. Lennox Lewis
    4. Larry Holmes
    5. George Foreman
    6. Wladimir Klitschko
    7. Evander Holyfield
    8. Joe Frazier
    9. Rocky Marciano
    10. Sonny Liston
    11. Jack Johnson
    12. Mike Tyson
    13. Ezzard Charles
    14. Max Schmeling
    15. Riddick Bowe
    16. Ken Norton
    17. Floyd Patterson
    18. Jack Dempsey
    19. Jersey Joe Walcott
    20. Chris Byrd
     
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  2. PhillyPhan69

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    Louis
    Ali

    Holmes
    Lewis

    Foreman
    Wlad

    Frazier
    Holyfield
    Tyson

    Marciano
    Johnson

    Dempsey
    Liston

    Bowe
    Vitali

    schmeling
    Jeffries

    Patterson
    Charles
    Walcott
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

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    Good list, Do you not rate Wills? Or have I just assumed that everyone did?
     
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  4. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    For greatness:

    1a. Louis
    1b. Ali
    1c. Marciano
    4. Foreman
    5. Holmes
    6. Holyfield
    7. Dempsey
    8. Johnson
    9. Lewis
    10. Frazier
     
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  5. timmers612

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    It took some guts to place Harry close to the top ten. From what I've been able to find out on him most of his wins over Sam came late in Langford's career with Sam having a better go of it earlier and scoring two one shot ko's over him. He did miss out on a deserved title shot and pay day but almost all commentaries from the day thought Jack would be too much for him. Its an oddity to place him over Jack.
     
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  6. Seamus

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    Because you are a newbie... as of this second, right now...

    1) Ali
    2) Louis
    3) Lummox
    4) Holmes
    5) Tyson
    6) Waldo
    7) Foreman
    8) Frazier
    9) Liston
    10) Johnson
     
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  7. PhillyPhan69

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    Outside of the top 20....I have never gone above 30 in a listing. And struggle to rate certain guys. Wills, Langford, McVea, Sullivan, Jackson, Jeanette etc. but all seem to be in Tunney territory outside of the top 20 for me. I see some guys rate him (wills) mid to high teens, but rarely inside of the top 10 and seldom top 15
     
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  8. BitPlayerVesti

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    Something like

    Ali
    Louis
    Johnson
    Marciano
    Lewis
    Jeffries
    Tyson
    Foreman
    Holmes
    Holyfield
     
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    I am deeply hurt and offended by the exclusion of Frazier....but outside of that a solid list
     
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  10. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    Wills is a tricky one. I think his best wins were Langford, and McVea when they were past. A lot of weaker opponents later on, until Sharkey showed how far he dropped.

    He certainly deserved a shot, probably the worst case of someone not getting one in heavyweight history, but I don't think he'd have beaten Dempsey. Shame we'll never know though.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    A top 15 in someways more appropriate.

    It's interesting going through them one at a time, though trying to find stuff on Godfrey and Gains is slowing it down.
     
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  12. Seamus

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    I'm deeply offended by the inclusion of Jeffries (especially over Tyson, Holmes Foreman and Holy) but I celebrate the lack of Dempsey.
     
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  13. George Crowcroft

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    I also celebrate the lack of Dempsey
     
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  14. GOAT Primo Carnera

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    For what reason are you guys putting Foreman over Larry Holmes??

    Forman winning three title fights vs Frazier and Moorer and getting a gift vs. Schulz compared to a guy who went 48 - 0 until age cought up, with 21 title fight wins?

    By the way, compare that 48-0 with Marcianos 49-0 .....with the difference that Holmes fought until the age of 52!

    Liston ahead of Holyfield and Tyson too?
     
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  15. George Crowcroft

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    The difference between Foreman and Holmes is that Fraizer was better than anyone Holmes beat.
    Another difference is that Foreman actually managed to win back the Lineal Title. Holmes didn't, and Foreman had a much better second career than Holmes whilst dominating a much tougher one in his first. Norton was no pushover either as Holmes would know.

    Holyfeild loses points in my book due to the whole 'evan fields' fiasco, subsequently meaning his entire legacy could be down to drugs.
    Tyson is severely overrated
     
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