Usyk's frame

I don't think you understand what "frame" means in the context of this sort of discussion. "Frame" is a reference to the general skeletal structure and musculature rather than actual muscle mass. In that picture, Usyk's frame is actually on a par with Sirenko's. They both broadly have the same clavicle width. There is nothing to suggest a significant difference in frame although Sirenko is likely to have greater bone density just because he is carrying noticeably more weight. He's got more muscle and more body fat. That's it. There's not much between their frames.

Usyk could do what Joshua did and gain 25lbs of lean muscle by taking copious amounts of drugs but as a fan I'm quite happy to see him come in lean and light on his toes at Heavyweight.

 

Time will tell, if this puny Usyk can carry his power up to heavyweight. Holyfield and Haye could. I can imagine a Herbie Hide Riddick Bowe scenario with this Usyk. Usyk putting on beautifully crafted boxing display on the outside, only to be walked down into the corner, thrown up viciously against the turnbuckle and stopped by a 6ft 7 inch gangly bronze bomber, teeing off at him at will. Lol looking forward to see how he does against Takam. But I got a funny feeling, he's better suited to taking on smaller opponents, rather than these huge behemoths.

 

Usyk has big wrists so his potential to get bigger and not lose his other traits is big.
Wrist circumference is all that matters in this regard.

 

What an absolute load of shite.

 

I think Usyk has a much bigger frame than Holyfield had and is fractionally taller than the Real Deal. Like others have said, it may be his height and not his build that causes problems against the real super heavyweights

 

Its not, he’s absolutely bang on. Wrist size, bone density, clavicle width. These are the key factors in deciding true size potential.

 

Yes. Not having a massive frame is actually better for bodybuilding and general aesthetics. Because it makes muscle mass look better and it really makes your muscles pop and bring out cuts.

But for HW boxing a big frame is all, but a necessity. An over muscled guy with a smaller frame will gas out faster, lose his speed and will not generate as much power.

A guy with a large frame and little muscle is Wilder. His legs are skin and bones. He has almost no bodyfat. He has wide hips/waist/wrist and semi wide clavicles. Plus he is 6'7". Wilders natural size is far bigger than what the scale has been saying recently.

 

Also what about hips and waist? Evander Holyfield always had thin hips. Which is a big reason why he looked so puffy at HW. He always looked like a blown up 190 pounder.

 

Hips and waist not so much although guys with a generally wider frame will be able to pack on more lean weight. The main thing is clavicle width and things like hand size and wrist circumference. I know some incredibly muscular people who take serious amounts of drugs to gain an enormous amount of lean body mass.

However, they are naturally small framed with small wrists and hands and in clothes they get completely dwarfed by naturally tall and broad people just in normal healthy shape.

 

Well yes I would agree that those would be the most important.

I made a thread years back stating that the most important things for moving up in weight is height and clavicles. A tall fighter for his weight with wide clavicles is in position to move up in weight. That's why a guy like Loma who is 5'7" on a good day and has very narrow clavicles isnt a good candidate to move up too many weight classes.

 

What does wrist size have to do with anything? He himself said that’s everything, and here you are listing all these other unrelated things. Bone density has nothing to do with anything either, it’s not contractile tissue so it’s like saying that fat is important for punching power. Clavicle width would be related to shoulder width, so that would indirectly be related to power to some extent (likely small). Wrist size isn’t related to anything. Pac has middleweight size wrists and he certainly can’t fight at middleweight.
People say the wackiest/dopiest things on boxing forums. Zero idea about the physical qualities involved in sport.

 

Clavicles lol. Boxing forums man.

 

I think you're wrong. If all you needed was muscle mass then you could get any overbulked small framed guy and have him dominate the higher weight classes.

 

I have no idea whether or not you are being serious. Bone density will have pivotal impact on the punching power of a boxer. Wrist size is one of the deciding factors in determining how thick a man’s arms can become, how large a man’s hands are and things like grip strength. You will never ever find a 200lb+ man with small wrists. It simply cannot happen. Wrist size is important in boxing because it essentially determines how heavy a boxer can actually become. It goes without saying that wrist thickness will have a big impact on punching power.

You are the one who clearly has no idea what you are talking about here.

 

No chance of that ever happening, Hide was a disgrace and went down from punches that didn't connect properly, and he's a smaller man and **** compared to him !