Gennady Golovkin vs Thomas Hearns

Well if you take his word, he had a massage which weakened his legs, I always thought was bs, but I think he thought he could knockout Marvin and he wanted to do it. Hearns was going for a knockout which is why he broke the hand. Hagler didn't want the rematch. I think that fight took a lot out of Hagler mentally. He put his all into it mentally and physically and won and got the recognition and wanted to retire..

 

Your argument would be better if he could have beaten a smaller man who moved up in weight. But he didn't.

 

Those chicken legs did look extra jelly. Why would Hearns allow himself to be massaged though?

 

I am a big Hearns fan but I hate excuses in fights. My question is the same as you, why did he allow it and why weren't his legs messaged before Benitez or Duran, two other important fights which he won.

 

I agree but you're assuming hearns would choose to exchange throughout the whole fight. What if he boxes?

I could ask you the same thing. Golovkin did that for ONE round out of the 24 rounds he fought canelo. You're acting like he relentlessly pursued him throughout both fights.

Do you want to make a poll asking if people think golovkin is a non stop aggressive pressure fighter?

How many fights did brook win at middleweight before he fought golovkin?

Any idiot can add a bunch of weight, it doesnt mean it will be effective. Brook clearly doesnt have a light heavyweight frame so being that heavy might have hurt more than helped--especially because he wasnt used to having a pro fight weighing that much.

Hey, smart ass. The point was hagler was a rock solid iron chinned middlewight and he still nearly got stopped in the process of wearing hearns down. The point is Golovkin (who swells very easily) isn't going have an easy time getting past those 78' reach arms without getting badly hurt in the process. That this flew right over your head further demonstrates to me how much of a fanboy you are.

1-HOW does he outbox a man who has an 8' reach advantage, a 3' height advantage and one of the greatest jabs of all time?

2-and much shorter, lesser fighters than hearns like jacobs and canelo landed on golovkin. Whats your point?

3-did you know hearns had a right hand too? Knocked out a lot of people with it.

4-thats assuming golovkin has the balls to pressure him. I dont think he does if he wouldn't go guns blazing against jacobs and canelo.

 

Ya I stated this too... and people ignore Hearns' advantages here …. GGG is not going to win this fight from the outside out jabbing Tommy, he has to get inside. And he is going to get tagged and hard .. For me, most this fight is the Hearns jab and power right vs the GGG chin which will determine the winner

 

Tough call but I would pick Golovkin

 

Golovkin can outbox him.

Oh, so you finally acknowledge the point. About time.

That's not the point. The point is, Brook was not 147lb facing GGG, he was over 170lb when they stepped into the ring.

^Speculation. In my opinion the extra weight helped him greatly because he wasn't as dry as the Sahara trying to make 147.

Hagler didn't "wear Hearns down". He straight up trampled him, and part of the reason he nearly got dropped is because he rushed in like a bull in a china shop and left himself open for the counter. As I have already demonstrated, Golovkin generally does not do that (although he can) and is defensively responsible. Hearns will have a much harder time landing that stuff on GGG.

You obviously missed this. Let me help you out again:

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Point 1: Kinchen has a reach of 70'' and is 5'10''
Point 2: Golovkin has a reach of 70'' and is 5'11''
Point 3: Kinchen has no trouble whatsover in landing on Hearns whose defence seems to be quite lacking
Point 4: Kinchen does not fight Hearns like Hagler. He boxed Hearns. Notice how his jab lands often.
Point 5: Kinchen's high water mark was an NABF title. Golovkin is one of the longest reigning world MW champions
Point 6: The fact that you're using a mythical version of Hearns that seems to exist only in your head instead of referring to the actual footage reveals that you are a super-fanboy.

The same way he's outboxed everybody else he has faced?

That GGG has never been hurt by bigger fighters than Heanrs and Hearns has been KO'd by smaller fighters than GGG?

1) He didn't have to go in guns blazing because he outboxed them both
2) He did, nevertheless, bumrush Canelo in the 12th and demonstrated that he has absolutely no problem taking a bunch of shots to land his own.

 

PS - if you want to talk about a swollen face (LOL) go look at Hearns' face in the post fight announcements of the Kinchen fight. His right eye and cheek is swollen up like a balloon. Golovkin has never looked that bad.

 

you point to Hearns most unimpressive fights months after losing to Barkley and moving up in weight again? If that is your fact that GGG could beat Hearns in 1985 then it is poor one.

 

This was Hearns worst outing months after he was knocked out and after moving up in weight. This was November of 1988... In June 1986 he fought at 154. Oct 86 middleweight. March 87, light heavyweight, October 87 back to middleweight, June 1988 Middleweight. Nov. 1988 Kinchen supermiddleweight. Who does this sort of moving around? If you don't think that compromises the body and strength. That is a legit excuse and it was stupid of Hearns and Emanuel to do. Stay at one weight. he was a greater fighter than GGG by far. Better wins and skill set. GGG needs more of a resume to even come close to matching Hearns. You cannot make a guy greast because you like him, he has to have the resume. GGG sort of compromised his position in the rank of Hagler and Monzon by losing to Canelo. I don't think he will ever be at that level middleweight.

 

Your suggestion that GGG can outbox Hearns can only be dismissed. Hearns was a masterboxer who ouboxed other masterboxers like Leonard, Benitez and Hill.

 

Other folks have no problem in looking at 36 year old Golovkin vs a young ped cheat and drawing their conclusions from that The Hearns that fought Kinchen was only 30 years old. When Golovkin was 30 the rest of the MW division was hiding under couches and behind potted plants in case they'd have to fight him.

 

Thank you for confirming that Hearns was still very able to compete at the highest levels at that time. Maybe tell that to PernellSwetPea.

 

To be fair or at least to add context to it, I believe around 90% of the consensus had GGG walking away with the title in both fights with Canelo .. the whole Golden Boy venue along with a judge, Byrd, getting suspended after turning in her card really stunk up the fight for me …