Fury is all hot air!

What Joshua has achieved so far is very good. What Fury has also achieved so far is very good. Both hold or have held almost all the belts. There is no need to play down either achievements. Let’s see where they go from this point.

 

I'm not playing down anything I'm stating cold facts .Bottom line I'm not giving Fury a pass for fighting a nobody.He is perfectly entitled to take the money and do what ever he wants, I just don't want to hear any more **** about ,"my legacy "and, " I'm a fighting man".

 

I also am a fan of both Joshua and Fury. I will always support our British boxers and root for them/ back them every time. However, I will also call them out if they underperform or imo duck fights. Gotta say I was somewhat disappointed in Fury for not taking the rematch with Wilder and although I feel Joshua is being ducked by the other two, I'm expecting him to do a bit more to make the unification fight by the end of the year!! If it's Wilder, or Brezealle or Fury by that point Joshua has to go the extra mile/ concede a little more to make the fights and then if they still say no I'll give him a pass as it may be the case no matter what he offers Fury, Wilder may just never fight him!! I wonder if AJ would prefer Brezealle to take that belt and make an easy, cheaper unification fight!? Or does he really want Wilder to win and set up the mega fight!? I'm pretty sure tho he's the trickiest opponent of the three both AJ and Wilder have no qualms facing Fury as he doesn't possess that one punch k.o power the other two do!!

 

Whose going to pay to see Joshua v Breazeale 2? It won't happen anyway, Breazeale is easy to hit and is a sucker for a right hand ,Ugonoh had him all over the place.He is a brave, tough guy who can bang a bit but he has no boxing ability at all.

 

I think you answered you own question mate . Yes he has.

Whyte, povetkin, Parker, klit, takam all better than anyone fury has been in with and takam aside I think they would all beat wilder and I'm not sure takam wouldn't beat wilder

Possibly, I think however miller is underestimated. He's not been in the ring with anyone of any note but he's never been troubled either. We shall find out soon enough.

 

He was in with Klitschko (better than all of the names there) and regardless of what could happen in the future, none of them have beaten Wilder, so he's a bigger name and atm a better opponent in paper, And please other than possibly Whyte, who couldn't Fury beat out of them

 

I’m on the same page, I like AJ and Fury the most.

I think AJ is an entertaining fighter and has done wonders for British boxing and the attention he’s brought to it.

Fury’s story is just brilliant and he went up loads with the wilder fight , getting up from that knockdown. He deserves all the money he gets , I never thought he would be back in that ring again.

Best thing about wilder is you know you’ll be entertained due to his power covering for his lack of boxing skills, he can only fight one way which makes for good viewing. I say a lot of negative things about him but out of all the upcoming fights with the top 3, I’d pick his first due to his unpredictability.

 

It was obvious Tyson was going down this route as soon as he signed for Arum. Anyone who had the slightest hope that Arum would put Tyson in there with Wilder first off needs their head checked. Its all just business,.

 

Nor had Dillian Whyte when he faced Joshua but you continually cite Joshua's win over Whyte as meaningful because Whyte happens to be ranked now, 3 years later.

Chisora was robbed aganst Helenius when Helenius was highly ranked.
2 years AFTER his second loss to Fury (a complete domination) he fought on even terms with Whyte and again many thought he was unlucky there.

Ergo, Chisora on Fuy's record TWICE is at least equal to Whyte on Joshiua's.

Chisora was regarded by 90% of observers as winner over Helenius when Helenius was ranked. His loss to Vitali didn't hurt his standing whatsoever either.
Chisora was considered a contender by many when Fury faced him in 2014, as was Cunningham in 2013 even.
I know you only seem to accept "RING magazine" and I don't have issues of RING magazine to check or compare Chisora against the ranked men, but I know Chisora was at least on the fringes of contendership and Cunnigham was coming off a hotly disputed decsion loss to ranked Adamek.

My point is that people tend to complain about being charged £19.95 to see such dismal matches dressed up a PPV world heavyweight championships, hence why Joshua has been "castigated" to use your word.
I certainly have no intention to tear down Joshua's record, as you clearly seem to have with Fury.
Joshua's quality of opposition over 22 fights is very good, yes, I agree.

I was as underwhelmed by Fury's pre-Klitschko record as you were, but it's pretty obvious that the likes of Chisora x2 in the manner he did so are relatively good credentials, for this era.

 

Chisora got robbed against Helenius, beat Malik Scott who was a decent contender back then with a 35–0–1 record and most recently beat Carlos Takam. Not to mention a arguable victory over Whyte in the first fight.

^^This may not suit your agenda but be honest and give Chisora his credit.

 

WIlder has a better win in Ortiz than any of those (other than Klit) listed as being better than Wilder...

Not to say they couldn't beat him, but the point remains

 

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How are you going denigrate Povetkin no3 and Parker no4? That must be your next move.

Bottom line
Chisora has never been ranked in the Rings top ten and never beaten ranked a top ten fighter. I don't complain about PPV charges if I don't think they warrant PPV, I don't pay for them.I really don't give a **** about Fury, he has thrown away the momentum he built from the Wilder fight.Ive never paid to watch him and never will he bores me. A bigger version of Johnny Nelson with a bigger mouth to match.His record is there for all to see I'm not inventing his opponents! Cunningham was a 36 years old cruiserweight who had won just 1 of his last 4 fights and who never has beaten a ranked heavyweight.

 

I have no wish to denigrate Povetkin or Parker. They are very good fighters and very worthy of their top 5 rankings when Joshua beat them. I rate Joshua very highly for beating those men last year.

My point about Chisora compared to Whyte is valid.
You have no counter argument.
Joshua beat a Whyte before Whyte beat anyone of note, before Whyte was "ranked", and a year later the often beaten Chisora gave Whyte an even fight.
Fury beating Chisora TWICE when and how he did is at least equal to Joshua beating Whyte.

And yet (if that's true) he's as good or better than many who have been ranked.
In 2016 he was still as good as Dillian Whyte, as has been pointed out.
In 2018 he was still good enough to KO Carlos Takam, who is among Joshua's top 5 best wins, and did so in Takam's very next fight after Takam made it to he 10th round against Joshua. (and make no mistake about it, Joshua has a very good resume).
Which all suggest Chisora, despite what "RING Magazine" rankings might say, has been around world-contender-level of recent years.

If Chisora is no good, then I imagine Whyte and Takam are/were no good either. Not to mention prime Helenius, who was ranked by RING at #4 or #5, I think, when Chisora (according to 90% + of obsevers) "Beat" him.

Did you agree with the judges who had Helenius winning ?

Fair enough. I was explaining why many people DO castigate Joshua's weaker challengers. People expect a better product for the price. It's that simple.

Each to their own.
I found Chisora 1, Firtha, Pajkic, Cunningham and Wilder very entertaining fights, with good action.
Chisora 2 was a tactical masterclass .... and the win over Klitschko, while lacking action, was an historical win over a man who hadn't lost in 11 years. Impressive how Fury nullified a man who had been shutting out his rivals for about a decade.

Like I said before, I like both Joshua AND Fury.
Both are a huge credit to British boxing.
But I'm not interested in seeing either of their next two fights, and I refuse to say one word in defence of Fury-Schwarz or Joshua-Miller because they really are bad fights. End of story.

 

I used to have a slight dislike for Joshua, based simply on the b.s sky and Eddie used to force down our throats. It was like had been given everything on a silver platter without having to do much to get to the top and all the while other fighters having a real hard time just trying to get to British level.
However in recent times Joshua has earned my respect, he come on leaps and bounds as a fighter and as much as I rate fury for his boxing ability and brain, i can see Joshua catching him up in the near future.

 

I think whilst Fury beating Chisora needs to be seen in the context of the time, (Fury was actually a marginal outsider in the first fight, and deserved genuine praise for winning what was seen as a close fight handily), what has subsequently happened with Chisora (in that he's lost almost every single time he has stepped up) suggests that he's not necessarily a benchmark for those operating at the very highest level.

For me the biggest difference between the records of Joshua and Fury is that Fury just seems to have a massive gap in those second-tier opponents. For whatever reason fights against Whyte/Haye/Povetkin/Pulev/Chagaev/Parker/Ortiz level opposition just never seems to have happened.