The top 20 fighters in the world P4P

When did I ever say I had him winning both fights? And even if I did, I can still rate Canelo higher based on his body of work at different weight classes; head-to-head is just one factor on a list like this. You are getting too caught up in records. I blame Mayweather for this mentality among both fighters and fans. I couldn’t care less if a fighter has a 0 in the loss column. Loma’s fight against Salido does not hurt his rating one bit.

 

Can’t argue with your first five.

 

Hey bud, sorry I’m getting back to you so late on this.

My personal top p4p list HAS to have either Crawford or Lomachenko as 1 or 2, I’m cool with either of them being #1 in anyone’s opinion. Benevidez is a MASSIVE reach right now, and by the standards you set I can’t see how Benavidez, Canelo, GGG, and Joshua are higher than Loma, Mikey, and ESJ. Maybe Canelo and GGG, I can possibly see them a little higher than M Garcia and ESJ, but man it’s tight. As for Loma, I don’t know what you’re watching brother but it sure isn’t the same thing that I am.

It all gets really tricky and complicated because it’s all based on people’s opinions, but based on the standards you personally set, Usyk is WAY too low, Benavidez IMO is a massive reach at the moment, I think Nery is way too high also. Wilder, Bivol, and Berchelt IMO should all be rated higher, I think Beterbiev is another massive reach and you don’t rate Gvozdyk in the top 20.

On accomplishments alone I think Thurman should be way higher on your list. I personally don’t like how the bottom of your top 20 looks overall, but that’s just differences in opinion brother. No smoke, I like you as a poster and I know you know your ****, at least to a certain extant which is far beyond the casual level.

TBH brother, your a far better man than I at this, I’m way too adhd and exhausted to put up just a top 20 p4p let alone all the rest you did. Seriously, props and respect bro for the time and effort you put into it. We just have some differences in opinion and that’s cool.

FWIW — even though I called Benavidez and Beterbiev massive reaches, it doesn’t mean I dislike them or don’t think they are capable. Potentially, Benavidez I truly believe rules 168 with an iron fist for the next decade, believe me bro, I see and am mightily impressed with him, and I also think he’s a future top 5 p4p boxer, but not right now IMO. He is SEVERLY lacking scalps at the moment. Beterbiev, abdsolite threat to anyone at 175 but he’s already on the decline and his career has been a pathetic shame IMO. Truly unreal how badly he’s been managed, matched, promoted, so many things. If he does ever end up fighting any of LHW’s big 4(IMO) — Kovalev, Gvozdyk, Bivol, and Alvarez, he certainly has the power and ability to KO any of them, but at this point in his career, he’s already on the decline along with Kovalev, but Kovalev still went after every lion he could at the time. I think he’s an ******* personally, but way better career than Beterbiev and I think he would box his ears off.

Hey, have a good night brother, I enjoyed our dialogue, you’re a real solid dude and a good poster, and this thread and it’s content ignites serious debate and is very compelling. You know what, when I made my first reply to you I truly didn’t understand how difficult and how much thought and analysis you put into all of this — I certainly can’t. So I’ll dap you up on that for sure bro, respect.

 

That would be the cocaine.

 

1) Golovkin (never truly lost)
2) Lomachenko
3) Usyk
4) Crawford
5) Gvoz
6) Bivol
7) Gassiev
8) Kovalev
9) Canelo
10) Dorticos
11) Breidis
12) Spence