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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Been working on this for about a week

    Obviously a follow up of the top 50
    https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/my-top-50.625460/page-1
    But I want to get up to one hundred, but I find it's easier to do that in stages

    Here it is

    1. Sam Langford

    2. Harry Greb

    3. Muhammad Ali

    4. Ezzard Charles

    5. Sugar Ray Robinson

    6. Benny Leonard

    7. Ted Kid Lewis

    8. Henry Armstrong

    9. Archie Moore

    10. Joe Gans


    11. Jack Britton

    12. Tommy Loughran

    13. Maxie Rosenbloom

    14. Mickey Walker

    15. Willie Pep

    16. Ray Leonard

    17. Barney Ross

    18. Soilder Bartfield

    19. Joe Louis

    20. Roberto Duran


    21. George Dixon

    22. Jimmy McLarnin

    23. Harry Wills

    24. Tony Canzoneri

    25. Lennox Lewis

    26. Jack Johnson

    27. Charley Burley

    28. Gene Tunney

    29. Jimmy Wilde

    30. Floyd Mayweather Jr


    31. Manny Pacquiao

    32. Evander Holyfeild

    33. Marvin Hagler

    34. Packey McFarland

    35. Carlos Monzon

    36. Jose Napoles

    37. Emile Griffith

    38. Bob Fitzsimmons

    39. Kid Gavalin

    40. Tommy Hearns


    41. Young Corbett III

    42. D*ck Tiger

    43. Tiger Flowers

    44. Barbados Joe Walcott

    45. Pancho Villa

    46. Fighting Harada

    47. Manual Ortiz

    48. Freddie Walsh

    49. Lou Ambers

    50. Eder Jofre


    51. Roy Jones Jr

    52. Sandy Saddler

    53. Stanley Ketchel

    54. Sam McVey

    55. Julio Cesar Chavez

    56. Oscar Del a Hoya

    57. Juan Manuel Marquez

    58. George Foreman

    59. Alex Arguello

    60. Micheal Spinks


    61. Salvador Sanchez

    62. Billy Conn

    63. Bernard Hopkins

    64. Young Corbett II

    65. Tommy Gibbons

    66. George Foreman

    67. Larry Holmes

    68. Kid Chocolate

    69. John Henry Lewis

    70. Freddie Steele


    71. Rocky Marciano

    72. Oakland Billy Smith

    73. Wladimir Klitschko

    74. Lloyd Marshall

    75. Joey Maxim
     
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  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    I think you`ve rated Lewis far too high, GGG is a far better fighter P4P than Lewis was and Lennox never fought someone as good as Canelo, I don`t feel Canelo beat GGG, but I feel he`s also a better fighter than Lennox was.
     
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  3. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Mark, your very educatated in the sport, so I have to ask is this sarcasm due to the resent (insert name) is better GGG threads
     
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  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No I really didn`t thinjk Lewis was that good nor his opposition, he had great reach and power and fought very well v a faded Tyson, but I Canelo and GGG are something else, I feel both fighters are vastly underestimated, and Lewis used to be my favourite fighhter before I started watching film studies and learning more about fundamentals, there is a great study on Lewis showing how to beat te shorter Tyson but he clinched so many times early on.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    That's OK, I think Canelo will creep up into the 75 in the coming years, but GGG (one of my fav fighters) is shy of 100 unless he beats Canelo. I like Lewis' wins over Holyfield and V. Klitschko over Canelo, and he has good wins over Ruddock, Golota, Mercer, Morrison as well as a few others
     
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  6. The Undefeated Lachbuster

    The Undefeated Lachbuster On the Italian agenda Full Member

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    Lewis too high, Kid Lewis too high, Rosenbloom too high, Marciano way too low, Fitzsimmons too low (all just my opinion ofc)

    Like I'm legit interested to hear how you have Lewis 50 spots up higher than Marciano in a p4p list, especially when Marciano was smaller than his average opponent and much more consistent, and Lewis, larger and caught more often
     
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  7. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Marciano might have been smaller, but every real top contender he fought was an old man, Charles, Louis, Moore and Walcott were all very far removed from there prime
    I know he was a very small HW hence why I have him above, Klitschko and other HWs in my top 10 but Lewis faced much better opposition and in his prime was much better than Marciano imo

    Lewis' lower end (still world class) wins are as good as Marciano's best. People like Mercer, Morrison, Tua, Golota and Tyson. Also I find it very difficult to believe Lewis got caught more than Lewis from what I've seen of both Marciano got hit alot more just had a better chin.

    I don't really rate Fitsimmons too highly coz he didn't beat very many good people. The opposite for Rosenbloom
     
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Looking at this make me feel physically sick.
     
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  9. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    It's ok, Ive always known having Lewis as high as I do is unpopular
     
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  10. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    Fitz was beating heavies as a Middleweight and beat the Middleweight champ (nonpariel), light heavy and heavyweight champ lol

    Imo Charles and Walcott were prime and Rex Layne is one of the greatest contenders ever. Also Holyfield and Morrison were past prime and Mercer was (imo) robbed of a decision against Lewis
     
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  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I know who Fitsimmons beat, I just think other wins were better (eg: Lewis beat Vitali, Tua and Holyfield)

    I just can't agree that Charles was prime, and even if he was, he was a career LHW, He was a veteran of 95+ fights when he faced Marciano and was imo not what he was when he beat Moore or Louis or even Walcott. Walcott was really past it, like it was his last two fights and was about 37/38 for them.

    I don't think Mercer was robbed, I thought it was a draw that could've gone either way. Morrison was past it but through his own doing not Lewis' and he was coming off one of his best wins (Ruddock). I know some of Lewis' are questionable but either way he got them and thats what counts.
     
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  12. The Undefeated Lachbuster

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    An interesting stance, considering those at his training camp said he regained a spark for training and many consider him lasting the distance against Marciano to be one of the finest performances of his career

    Moore had well over 100 fights when he won the light heavyweight championship, was he past prime?

    Walcott aged well and gave one of his best fights to Marciano. Some fighters just age well, like B-Hop. Some age poorly, like Tyson. Walcott fought like a man possessed to retain that title
     
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  13. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    It certainly isn't ok for you to arrive on the forum and make posts that make people want to throw up.

    But this stuff is hard, especially when you are kicking off.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Harry Wills at 23....
     
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  15. BitPlayerVesti

    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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    I'll go through my main disagreements. Don't mean to be rude, just want to be concise. I get these lists aren't easy.

    Henry Armstrong too low
    I'm not sure Moore can be that far ahead of Burley
    Ray Leonard is a tough high IMO
    Harry Wills is way too high
    Not sure what Soldier Bartfield is doing there
    Lennox Lewis and Jack Johnson are too high
    I think Wilde and McFarland should higher
    Bob Fitzsimmons is way too low
    McVey is way too high
    Oakland Billy Smith wasn't terrible, but I don't see him on a list like this, especially not ahead of Lloyd Marshall

    I think the heavyweights in general are too high, but I really don't see an argument for including Wills and McVey

    It also seems you're rating guys like Oakland Billy Smith and Bartfield who got a few decent results in a ton of fights with top opposition too high.
     
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