Finally, an honest evaluation of Hagler leonard scoring.

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  1. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's not my posts that are painful; it's your complaints that are painful!

    cant handle the truth even when it lands in front of your nose. My posts are living truth!

    and though many dont BELIEVE Sugar lost 10 rounds, the truth is, he did!

    I never said the rounds werent close so for the sake of your feelings and to better console you, we can say that leonard lost 5/6 of the fight

    but they were close rounds. Feel better? :(
     
  2. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that's becuz you dont like the result and cant accept it

    sore loser
     
  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree that Marvin fought a poor fight

    I agree that he was shot

    but despite all that, he still won

    youre basically just telling me that you wish leonard had won,and trying to explain it away despite the evidence that you didnt bother to watch

    the film slows down the action and shows which fighter scored the actual punches that landed. cuffs and grazes dont matter. low blows dont matter. hitting after the bell doesnt count, and blocked punches dont count

    Marvin won 10 - 2 in rounds and the film proves it beyond doubt
     
  4. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marvin Hagler and his team has no one to blame but themselves for that loss. They had to know the only way Leonard had any chance to win that fight is the way he won it. Of course Leonard would stick, flurry and move. Of course he was going to attempt to get the crowd on his side. Hagler and his team had to know that going in. Hagler I'm sure knew he was going to be in chase mode all night. Why he didn't come out and press Leonard, make him use those legs that had been on the shelf for nearly 5yrs EARLY in the fight , attack Leonard's body early, and aggressively help tire those legs . That's all on Hagler and his team. They were pro's for years before that night in Vegas , and any casual fan could've told them the only way Leonard could win. Why Hagler came out passive and boxing from a distance is the question he has to look in the mirror and deal with. What happened to his Motto of" destruct and destroy ".
     
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  5. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    We score fights with judges at the time, not with slow motion action years later. You know that. Whether you have some slow motion action, it does not judge how effective the punch was. I remember Ray hit Marvin with a right on the top of his head and he was punching hard and sharp.
     
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  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    Given the result was a SRL win i'm pretty sure he can accept it ;)

    Bringing it up on a consistent basis 30+ years later would be not accepting it.

    Weekend leave from the looney bin must be nearly over again?

    I must say that not posting much has had a positive effect for you - look how many you reeled in on this one!!!

    A job well done.
     
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  7. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    no disgrace for Sugar R

    are you going to start that again? you sound like a broken record
     
  8. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Thanks but I had nothing to do with making that video.
     
  9. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    The fight was too close for anyone to claim a robbery.I gave it to Leonard by one round but would have no problem with anyone scoring it the opposite. Your anti Leonard bias is well documented here R R, so I don't think you will be getting much change out of this thread!
     
  10. the factor

    the factor Active Member banned Full Member

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    I generally favor artorias over compubox only because compubox is so flawed and inaccurate but they were bias toward Hagler in this one. They don't realize that punches landed with one hand whilst holding with the other do not count. They were also too dismissive of Leonard's slaps. There were a few legitimate punches from Leonard that they totally ignored but none from Hagler. A lot of those rds were very close according to their punch stats. If I bothered to do a slow-mo myself I think I would come up with different stats to these guys. There's no one gonna tell me Leonard only won 2 rds in this fight.
     
  11. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The ROUNDS were close but the vast majority won by Hagler. 10 out of 12 in fact.

    I feel for the leonard fans, I truly do but this slowed down film in which the number of scoring punches was the only way in which a winner could be determined WITHOUT personal bias.

    Best of luck to you
     
  12. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    I was rooting for Hagler actually,I repeat the fight was close ,close enough to have gone either way,nobody won anything like 10 rounds!
     
  13. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    No, it's not a fact.

    What if a guy made a similar video and had Ray winning?

    You've already been notified of how certain things were interpreted and missed.

    There is no proof.

    There's only the opinion of whoever made the video.

    This happened 32 years ago.

    You really need some professional help.
     
  14. Flash24

    Flash24 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well when you LEARN to accept it I wouldn't need to repeat it . But your right, why do I continue to repeat that with you. Obvious you don't get it. Maybe you have a learning disability?
     
  15. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    that wouldnt be possible since every event that occurred in the fight was shown and analyzed. It's not as though he edited out parts where Sugar Ray scored.

    events that occur are NOT opinion

    so maybe you should go back to school and try to differentiate between fact and opinion

    see? Opinion is what you would LIKE to have happened. and fact is what has happened, and we know about

    the length of time is irrelevant. why do you bring up irrelevant matters?