The Showdown - Leonard vs Hearns Back & Forth Battle Explained - Fight Breakdown

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  1. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Was this one of the greatest wins in history?
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  2. Unforgiven

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    It's Leonard's best win.
     
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  3. Flash24

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    Yes of course it was. But Leonard probably doesn't win this fight if he won in Montreal. Montreal made Leonard a man. And those 3 wins at welter, Benitez, Duran and Hearns when all were prime outshines anything else anyone else accomplished at welter. ( Yes of course Robinson is the GOAT at welterweight, but even he doesn't have that quality of wins, but of course he had the quantity of wins against some very goods at welterweight)
     
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  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    Hearns had the wrong game plan going into that first bout with Ray. He was still green in some areas at the elite level. For example what to do when your hurt and you need to buy time. His first true mega fight against a guy who was used to the bright lights.
    I think the adjustments would be more consise had Tommy gotten a shot Leonard in a normal time frame.
    Would have been perfect to see a rematch at 154lbs around 1983.
     
  5. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The Hagler fight was his best win

    except it wasnt really a win since he lost all but two rounds
     
  6. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    with Hearns, sugar was losing the fight almost as lopsidedly as the Hagler fight except he was able to stop Tommy late
     
  7. redrooster

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    Dundee had a well thought out plan. move early and gradually test out Tommy's strength.

    we see many exchanges as early as round four in that leonard easily withstood the barrage and returned fire

    look how big leonard is around the arms and shoulders - much bigger than he was than the first Duran fight

    and although outscored in the later rounds, superior strength and conditioning won the day for him
     
  8. mark ant

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    No Ray was far quicker v Hearns.
     
  9. mark ant

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    Tommy came in too light also.
     
  10. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    There was nothing lopsided about the Hagler fight, it was close.
     
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  11. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Ray had to contend with Tommy`s hand speed compared to Hagler`s slower hands at middle.
     
  12. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    how can one measure this differencel?

    it surely cant be done visually. not to mention the exchanges were pretty much even until Tommy got caught
     
  13. redrooster

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    not when referring to the latest video that was slowed showing the actual scoring blows. cuffs, blocked punches, grazes, and missed shots were rightfully noted, then disregarded

    Hagler won by a wide margin

    Even though losing, I still say this was Sugar's greatest all around bet performance. as Gil Clancy said "his legs and movement were incredible"

    and even I must say that many times made Marvin look bad. but its scoring punches that count in a professional fight
     
  14. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes

    Two pounds seemed to affect hitman. looked too thin, and not strong at all

    meanwhile look at how big Sugar is on the upper arms and shoulders

    IMO, Sugar was the much better conditioned fighter
     
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  15. mark ant

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    Tommy waas far quicker at welter than Hagler was at middle in `87,it was clear to see, Hagler was missing a lot of shots wildly, Tommy`s punches were strikingly fast, most welters are quicker than middles because they are lighter, Ray was far quicker at welter compared to 160.