Sooo, Ali in his Prime beats ALL Other Heavies?

I don't know how he'd contend with super-heavys like Lennox or the Klitschkos. Ali relied on his length and jab and was almost always the taller fighter.

 

He would be favoured to beat all of them but Holmes,Tyson, Lewis and Louis are all in with a chance of beating him as well and it’s no foregone conclusion in h2h fights against Vitali, Wlad, Bowe and Holyfield either.

 

Terrell was a good fighter but he not on the same level as Lewis, Bowe or the Klitschkos.

 

Prime Frazier ALWAYS beats Ali!!!!!

I would also favor Louis and Marciano!

I would call Lewis & Holmes 50-50 types

I would say Tyson Wlad Vitali are live dogs

I would say Holyfield Bowe have an outside shot at an upset

Ali mucho overrated in a h2h sense

 

LOL Philly... Mucho haha.

 

I’d pick Lewis Bowe and the Klitschko brothers over Ali but he’d definitely be problems for any heavyweight in history, I don’t think Tyson had the mentality to beat Ali simply because Ali in his prime had a chin to hard for Tyson, Lewis Bowe and the Klitschkos are IMO to big and too skilled, the only old timer I see even having a chance against Ali is joe Louis and it’s a slim chance, Rocky and Dempsey May land big early but Ali descisions them both

 

Why is this funny? Do you hate Latinos ;-p

 

BWAHAHAHA... If I did, I would have a serious identity crisis, being that I'm half Latin American!! lol

 

He doesn't necessarily beat everyone. He lost fights within his own era (albeit arguably a shade past his prime for the ones which actually mattered) so it's a stretch to say he comes out on top against all the greats from every other era. However, it's hard to rate any Heavyweight ahead of him on a head-to-head basis across the board...Virtually impossible to do so, I guess.

There haven't really been too many great or golden eras for the Heavyweights, but Ali's was one and he came out comfortably on top overall, despite the odd blemish here and there. I think the mix of styles he beat is also a reassuring factor in making him an overall favourite (as in, loses some but wins more) against just about everyone else, too. Tall spoilers, murderous punchers, quick smaller guys, durable tough guys, awkward stylists etc - he has wins at a high level against all of those kinds of fighters.

Easy to say that Ali gets overrated, but the fact remains that his win column puts that of almost every other Heavyweight champion to shame.

 

I'm sorry, but did you just say Ali stops Marciano in a rematch? Marciano was a monster in rematches, and had a chin of granite. How do you figure this? Perhaps a lucky cut?

It's especially interesting since you said he'd only stop Walcott in the 15th and wouldnt even stop Baer

I'd also argue that Louis rematches better than Ali

 

Maybe the half of you that isn’t Latino hates Latinos?

 

Lol Ali lost to Frazier in his prime. He lost to Norton in his prime. Ali himself has stated he knew could never beat Norton no matter when they would have fought.

Dempsey is a cruiserweight by modern standards. Max Schmeling, Jersey Joe Walcott, Marciano, Johanssen, Tunney aren't heavyweights. Ali beat Foreman by luck and refused to give him a rematch.

Ali lost to Doug Jones a 180 pound guy and got a gift win. I would say Larry Holmes would beat Ali no matter what age Ali was. Holyfiled would beat Ali. If Joe Frazier could beat Ali then so could Tyson.

Riddick Bowe in shape would probably beat Ali. Lennox Lewis could beat Ali. Hell even a in shape motivated Buster Douglas would probably beat Ali.

It always cracked me up when casual fans talk about boxing like they are experts. It also cracked me up when casual fans act like certain fighters are unbeatable.

 

Lol Marciano had a granite chin? Again who? 180 pound old fighters? Even then Marciano got his butt whipped by a 170 pound Ted Lowry. Not only did he get his butt whipped he almost got knocked out on numerous occasions. Rocky Marciano fans are the most clueless boxing fans alive. I wouldn't even call them fans.