I think Fury was right not to face Wilder immediately

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I think Fury was right not to face Wilder immediately

    Im sure this thread will be under attack but read first before you comment.
    I have seen it many times before when a fighter looks to be the winner, where they box a tough but convincing fight and look to have done enough only for something to prevent them from getting the decision or win.
    When the immediate return happens, I often find that I think they go into the return with the wrong mindset, like they may feel, I have already done it once, or I should be going in as the A side, or maybe a feeling of, if I lose people will recall I won the first fight... Maybe? Either way, they often dont seem to be the same and disaster strikes which often removes peoples opinions of the first fight.
    The disputed winner seems to go in in a better place it seems to me

    Examples...

    Groves/Froch 1&2
    Jones/Tarver 1&2
    Kovalev/Ward 1&2

    Often a result like above, I think affects a fighter. I think Khan looked to have beaten Peterson and then had a disaster in his next fight against Garcia as another example of sorts

    I think it was wise not to go straight back in with Wilder as Fury may go in feeling something like the above where he has to gamble again and Wilder knowing how it went first time could possibly be in a better place than Fury
     
  2. Bensub

    Bensub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I also think Fury done the right thing. Why fight on showtime again as the B Side and get robbed on the cards again.

    Wilders team should have got this re match over the line ASAP, there is only one of them that's going to improve in the next 12-18 months and it will nit be wilder imo.
     
  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I wonder if that fight could affect Wilder in his next few fights if facing anyone other than Fury
     
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  4. Contro

    Contro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fury needs to get those big fights soon, his reflexes will fade with age and he's already in his 30s.
    Those quick reactions, great legs and evasive skills won't be there forever and when they fade he will be a big target for the big punchers in the division, with not that much firepower to keep them off.
     
  5. red_roo

    red_roo Active Member Full Member

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    Dam right that , lucky to . Fury brain can't take a wack , he remind's me of Michael Moore .
     
  6. MeatFeastMan

    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't think it's worth judging that version of Fury that fought Wilder. He wasn't ready, at all. Everybody was shocked when he took the fight one or two fights earlier than we had all been expecting. We all thought it was too early beforehand, so why would we change that opinion now?

    I still think there's more to come. And I think his next fight will just shake off more of the weight and more of the rust. I think after this one, he should fight a top 15 opponent. Then after that fight Wilder, then AJ.

    Remember, this Fury only trained at Big Bear for a small length of time. This time he'll be doing it again probably, his stamina will get even better and more weight will come off.

    Fury still has some serious work to do and people shouldn't lose sight of that.
     
  7. Tankatron

    Tankatron Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The reason why Wilder took the fight was because Fury looked like dog shart in his 2 come back fights and Wilder needed a name on his resume. The fact that the cherry pick very nearly went wrong is testament to Fury's hard labours in Fat Camp and Wilder just being not very good. Unfortunately, from this point in , neither Wilder or Fury are getting any better than their previous best so whenever this fight gets made going forward, it's a calculated risk for both to take.
     
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  8. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Good post
     
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  9. PernellSweetPea

    PernellSweetPea Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Then you have Nelson vs. Fenech. McGirt vs. Warren. If Fury was not motivated, then it was a good thing he didn't fight him Wilder has the whole fight to land in 12 rounds, so Fury has to be perfect all 12 rounds. Wilder does not. Tougher for Fury. Fury is not a huge puncher so he has to pick his spots and fight perfectly inside and pick perfectly in timing. But if he can beat Joshua in the case Joshua stops Wilder, Fury is on top. .
     
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  10. Brighton bomber

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    As a boxing fan I wish he had taken the rematch, I wan't to see the best fight the best.

    But having said that, I'm not going to pretend that I wouldn't done the same had I been in the same position. I mean look at his options, fight Wilder again, who has already robbed you once, on another PBC/Showtime card where the chance is you need to KO to win or get $20 mill for fighting Tom Schwarz as part of a 5 fight £80 mill deal. I mean it's a no brainer really especially as he might of gotten less than $20 mill for fighting Wilder. Fact is money drives the sport in most cases and Fury is no different to anyone else in that money can sway his choices.
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly. Nelson/Fenech is another great example of what I was talking about. there are several and I think you are right about it being motivation. I think it can be very demotivating to think I should be the winner and now have to do it again and not be as motivated due to what happened outside of your control, which is the polar opposite to the fighter who is the one originally deemed fortunate
     
  12. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I dont disagree with you, but I was siting examples of how I have often felt a return in fights where many dont think the right person got the decision seems to work against them in many rematches.
    Look at another example which goes against what I have said, in how clear a winner Lewis was when he first fought Holyfield and how debatable the rematch was.

    I picked Groves to beat Froch when they first fought but didnt feel confident about the return at all due to the first fight when I think Groves would have possibly have won that night but for the quick stoppage
     
  13. Robney

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    I think he was wrong from a legacy standpoint, Tyson "not doing it for the money" Fury did it right from a money standpoint.
    Pretty sure the rematch will never happen now, as we have opposing networks and the big money fight for Wilder is Joshua, not the Fury rematch. Sure part of the deal would be that Fury fights either Wilder or Joshua after a couple of tune-ups, but pretty sure that will eventually turn out to be Joshua instead.
    Also bad for boxing, the big 3 with 3 rival networks/services.
     
  14. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    ?? He is the only pro fighter Wilder has fought and not beaten
     
  15. bailey

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    It may or may not happen but I was looking at how I think many of these rematches go when a decision doesnt go the way many feel it should have