Pacquiao or Armstrong

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  1. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Fiction.

    * Armstrong unified at featherweight. He has previously held a version of the FW title, and then faced Petey Sarron for the whole championship.
    * Lou Ambers was unified champion at LW, and Barney Ross was unified at WW.

    Also, 130lb and 140lb championsips aren't considered in the O8.
     
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  2. BoxingPurest

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    I agree old school be it 1930s on would be trouble for any modern fighter with a whole lot more active boxers and a deeper talent pool wasn't so easy to get to the top during those Era's. Can you imagine Danny Garcia against Basillo or Armstrong come on he gets walked through everyday of the week. Wouldn't even make the top ten in those Era's. There is a reason why trainers and reporters from those era's said those guys were better! Alot of old fights have time delay, and bad FPS with no color the quality is awful,, makes the fighter appear stiff and crab like,, There are a couple of clip of Joe Louis and Schemling on youtube with the time corrected and colorized which gives you an idea just how good these guys really were!!!
     
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  3. dangerousity

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    Wikipedia says he’s 5, perhaps he earned the 5th if it split rather than win it. The guy took 8 belts across a 10 weight division span, I lost count.

    The only weak links were David Diaz and Margarito. You could argue that Margarito wasn’t a weak link either, until after Pac destroyed his face and basically ended his career.

    The guy did wreck cotto. Mosley was a bad stylistic matchup for him, touch as fk, throwing haymakers hilts Margarito has his chin out, dumb move.
     
  4. dangerousity

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    Excuses, do the same video editing with a prime RJJ and they won’t look that stupid.

    It’s as if you guys never boxed a day in your life.

    You learn to box, you learn how to move your feet, head and hands, and those guys weren’t doing it properly. Primitive skills.
     
  5. dangerousity

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    Well obviously if they weren’t recognised he’d take those scalps on different weight classes instead.

    That’s just dumb. 147 wasn’t recognised in 1800 either what’s your point?
     
  6. George Crowcroft

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    Armstrong had excellent footwork, very aggressive, much like Pacquiao himself, but more like Duran
     
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  7. dangerousity

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    Watch that and if you actually box yourself, tell me with a straight face you think that would stand up to today’s elite boxers? He would get killed.
     
  8. dangerousity

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    Aggressive yes, footwork no. He fell on his opponents and even someone like broner would meet him with an uppercut. The guy was WIDE open.
     
  9. BoxingPurest

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    Based off that answer you my friend I believe to be a Troll
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    He had the chin for it, he had good footwork for cutting of the ring, his strength definitely helped tho.
     
  11. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    Yes, tell me what fighter today could fight his pace and take those body shots. He also has some Defence he was a walk down fighter, the same type of fighter that would really trouble Spence and Thurman
     
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  12. dangerousity

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    Ok so that’s a very good argument....

    Tell me in what planet is it acceptable to hold your hands by your stomach, charge face first and just throw haymakers all day? What makes that elite level skills to you? Dissect it for me. Would you teach anyone to fight like that?
     
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  13. dangerousity

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    Rios did the same **** at LW, except with much more skilled guys punching him he couldn’t do what Armstrong did. If Armstrong tried that **** on Pac he would get ktfo.

    The guy had Rios and Margarito put their hands up to protect themselves, knocked down Mosley and cotto. It’s pretty obvious you can’t just plant your face against his 5-8 punch combinations. However, Armstrong seems to think that’s a viable strategy.

    It’s a joke, goes against all logic. Look at it from a technical point of view without rose tinted glasses, as a boxing coach, and tell me that’s right?
     
  14. Drew101

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    My point is that the Original 8 consists of:

    Flyweight
    Bantamweight
    Featherweight
    Lightweight
    Welterweight
    Middleweight
    Light Heavyweight
    Heavyweight

    Pacquiao won lineal championships in three of those divisions. Not five as you previously claimed.

    Junior Lightweight and Junior Welterweight were established later.

    So, my point isn't that dumb. It's a statement of fact.

    Henry Armstrong also reigned in three of the Original 8. And, had the Junior divisions been at hand, would almost certainly have won titles of those divisions, too. Factor in the fact he by all accounts should have been awarded a decision against reigning middleweight titleholder Cerefino Garcia, and that's an additional lineal championship in the O8 under his belt. Plus, he beat better competition, and crafted a 19 defense reign at WW. All in the space of three years. Those achievements tip the balance for me, and a lot of other posters as well.
     
  15. mark ant

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    Armstrong was very hard to hit and landed sneaky punches.