the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Floyd Mayweather Jr vs Manny Pacquiao

What a dreadful fight that I only revisited because someone said Floyd won? I didn’t even remember a hint of controversy surrounding this so I decided to rewatch this snore fest and see for myself.

What ensued is a defensive masterpiece from Floyd but an otherwise inactive and lackluster fight (and I use the word fight loosely).

Manny just couldn’t land anything most of the fight both by punch stats and the eye test. Floyd didn’t really do a lot either, but he landed cleaner and Manny missed poorly for most of the fight. Floyd cut pacs normal out put in half and his accuracy in 1/4 of landed punches. No really wide rounds based on neither guy throwing or landing a lot, but Floyd won 8 rounds clear and Manny 2 (4 & 6), with only 2 rounds being close enough to call debatable in my mind. 9-10 could be scored either way with one judge scoring both for Floyd and the other 2 both for Manny. I thought they split them with Floyd winning 9 and manny winning 10.

RBR
Floyd 1-2-3-5-7-8-9-11-12
Pac 4-6-10
Floyd 117-111 9 rds to 3

 

Antonio Avelar vs Tae Shik Kim

RD 1 - Kim 10 - 9
RD 2 - Avelar devastating KO

Not a hard bout to score at all, obviously. For a short time though, what a brilliantly destructive contest. That final hook from Avelar completely knocked Kim from his senses.

 

Roberto Duran VS Marvin Hagler
1983

Classic bout with two greats, that I re watched upon a request.
I viewed this with no sound

Duran Hagler

RD1 - 10 -10 (Classic feeling out round)
RD2 - 10 - 9
RD3 - 10 - 9 (Duran winning at Mid Range, Hagler better inside)
RD4 - 9 - 10 (Hagler snapping that jab)
RD5 - 9 - 10 (Very close)
RD6 - 9 - 10 (Close, great action)
RD7 - 10 - 9 (Great generalship from Duran)
RD8 - 10 - 9 (Very close, Duran edges with earlier work)
RD9 - 9 - 10 (Duran looking weary)
RD10 - 9 - 10 (Close, Hagler more forceful)
RD11 - 10 - 9 (Hagler tentative)
RD12 - 10 - 9
RD13 - 9 - 10
RD14 - 9 - 10 (Duran showboating )
RD15 - 9 - 10 (Brilliant closing round)

Total
DURAN: 142
HAGLER: 144

Notes:
1) This bout was really a battle of the feints. Very interesting exchanges throughout.
2) This bout makes me doubt Haglers ring IQ. If he was more forceful, ala Hearns bout, this would not be such a close fight. For example, Hagler wins the 10th, then backs off in the 11th. Quite confusing.
3) Great defense shown by both Duran and Hagler. Lots of closely missed or grazing shots throughout. Master skills.
4) Some brilliant infighting to watch here. I never get tired of it.

 

I think it's testament to Durans greatness that this fight was so close. Helps gloss over the Hearns blowout.

 

Been watching a bit of Bazooka Gomez recently. One fight was one I'd never got round to watching before, the other was a revisit of a legendary fight.

Took a look at his first title fight at Super-Bantam against Dong Kyun-Yum, which I'd been meaning to watch for ages. Gomez had a couple of problems early on - he obviously had a quick knockout on his mind and came out like a man possessed. Had a tendency to get too wild and open when he threw his power punches and leave himself squared up, which got him knocked down in the opener here. I also gave Dong the 3rd round, but nothing aside from that. Gomez was a little untidy in the first four rounds but slipped through the gears round by round beautifully after that point. By the 7th and 8th rounds he was creating angles at the waist, countering, putting together combinations, working the high-low and spinning Dong now and then. Dong was very game and not bad technically, but way too limited offensively to win this. His corner or the referee should probably have put him out of his misery a little earlier than they did (perhaps shouldn't have come out for the twelfth). But Gomez showed his dark side with some of his fouling here. Which leads us on to....

Gomez against Zarate, which I hadn't seen in a while. As great as he was in one respect, Gomez was a disgrace with some of his antics here. He got away with three separate fouls in the fourth round (low blows, holding and hitting for the second knockdown and then his cheap shot after the bell as Zarate was just rising again and when he knew perfectly well that the round was over) which could easily have seen him disqualified when you lump them all in together. Then there was another blatant foul (hitting Zarate when he was down) in the fifth, at which point Carlos' team decided they'd seen enough and threw the towel.

But - on this evidence, he was always going to blast Zarate out of there anyway. Zarate looked as if he'd forgotten how to move his head and was looked a bit toothless even before the heavy bombs started getting thrown - Gomez's boxing was definitely cleaner in those first couple of rounds or so when there's wasn't much action.

 

Sugar Ray Leonard VS Wilfred Benitez

I didn't score this bout, as it was my first time watching it! Blasphemous, I know, but I'm pretty young, so I'll use that as an excuse

The lead hands from both Wilfredo and Ray were laser sharp, very cautious but tense exchanges, which I found incredible as it started to heat up. Extremely smooth and sharp and smooth movement that you don't really see anymore (except by the Lomas and Inoues of the world, but almost never in competition).

Leonard really started to take over as he began to invest more into the body work around the 6th round, which further allowed him to land those overhand rights he was previously missing (he's right there!)

Wilfredo definitely didn't look undertrained to me in a sense, he just wasn't as sharp as Sugar Ray. Doesn't make him any less of a fighter, but any problems he did have were probably his fault.

 

Great fight and a seriously cool post.

 

Thank you

 

Saw on another site someone bringing up the Roberto Duran - Robbie Sims bout and how he thought Duran won. Realizing I missed that fight back in the day, I found the need to remedy the situation.

Round 1: 10-9 Duran
Round 2: 10-10 Even
Round 3: 10-9 Sims
Round 4: 10-10 Even
Round 5: 10-9 Sims
Round 6: 10-9 Duran
Round 7: 10-9 Duran
Round 8: 10-9 Sims (scored it even, but Duran lost a point for a low-blow)
Round 9: 10-10 Even
Round 10: 10-9 Sims

Total: 97-96 Sims

First of all - great fight! Fought in tight with beautiful, clean punches on both sides. Just felt Sims was a bit busier against the aging Duran who was puffing at the end. I had a number of even rounds but when you see the long levels of infighting, you'll know why.

 

Mark Too Sharp Johnson vs Rafa Marquez I

The winner is Robert Gonzalez!

This was the worst officiating job I have ever seen! The fight was marred by fouls from both guys. The ref interjects himself constantly yet still does not maintain order in the ring. Finally he deducts pts in the final 3 rounds but he must have felt like the star of this fight. Without the deductions (which were warranted although issued later than they should have) my card would be a draw.

A good contrast of styles. Johnson is a master of pace and range and able to control whole fights by his ring intelligence! He holds his own in the infighting but Rafa excels there landing more and better insude. I feel like Johnson got fatigued and then tagged really good in rd 8 and let this slip away. Good performance by both guys but I came away more impressed by Rafa largely due to Johnson fading in the latter rounds. Johnson was sharp and crisp early but couldn’t maintain it

RBR
1 Johnson
2 Johnson
3 Marquez
4 Johnson
5 Marquez
6 Johnson
7 Johnson 68-65
8 Marquez 9-9
9 Marquez 10-8
10 Marquez 10-8

Marquez 94-93

 

Rafael Marquez vs Mark Johnson II

The hbo commentary team of Merchant Lampley and steward was dreadful! This is why I hate commentary and fans who regurgitate the stuff they say.

Round 1 Johnson is keeping the space better than in the first fight....NO!!!!! Johnson won 4 of the first 6 rounds in fight 1 including rounds 1-2. So no he was not fighting better/different he was actually fighting the same but not as well. He was out of range himself where in the first fight he controlled the range but was in position to land his own.

Round 2 Johnson is boxing more/better than in the first fight, and not letting Marquez get inside....again no! Marquez won 2 of the first 6 rounds in fight 1 when he got inside and Johnson won the rounds where he established the range. Marquez really didn’t get inside effectively till 7-10 of fight 1.

It is almost as if they didn’t even watch the first fight before this one. They were among the worst broadcast teams for a fight as I can recall!!!!!

Referee Toby Weeks did a masterful job. Unlike Gonzalez in fight I. Marquez receives a stern warning for a low blow, and weeks is serious....no further fouls or pt deductions as in fight 1. Weeks controlled this fight without being a factor in it. Good job.

Almost out of the gate this is different than fight 1. Johnson tried to dictate range and does, but is not as effective as fight 1. He looks old, and a shell of himself. He still has moments but his days of being too sharp are behind him! He is anything but sharp. He holds a close edge in handspeed but not as much as in fight 1.

Marquez is ascending into his prime and Johnson has exited his, and the fight is not exciting because of this.

Marquez boxes better innrhis fight and the handspeed gap has closed. Marquez defense and counterpunching has improved and he is landing more effectively because of it.

Contrasts to fight 1- Johnson is throwing less and landing less than fight 1. In round 3 or 4 he throws 95 punches and lands 13? He established range, but to wide of one to operate in. Marquez is throwing less but landing more than in fight 1 and from 4 on his percentage is high and he lands the better shots.

In rd 7 Johnson does not see the short compact straight right from Marquez and tastes the canvas for the first time. Text book right from Marquez! Great balance and leverage as Johnson holds his arms low after parrying a left and gets caught with a perfectly timed and thrown right.

Johnson goes down again in the 8th from a left and then again seconds later. Weeks waves it off.

Not a bad fight but not as good as the first.

RBR
1 Johnson
2 Marquez
3 Johnson
4 Marquez
5 Marquez
6 Marquez
7 Marquez 10-8
Marquez TKO 8 68-64 at stoppage

 

Sergey Artemiev vs Ray Oliveira
SD 03-11-1992

Cool fight I watched based on a recommendation in another thread. Evenly matched all 10 rounds are closely contested. The judges had their work cut out for them with them scoring 0-1-2 even rounds. I also scored 1 Even. 1 judge had 98-94 Ray another 98-92 for Sergey and o don’t feel either card is bad even though mine differs from both.

Good contrast of styles. Ray moves well and has quicker footspeed, quicker hands and a nice tight high guard d with elbows close to the body for 7 rounds or so. Sergey reminded me of a smaller lighter hitting Tito. Straight standing style, nice short compact punches, deceptive handspeed good foot placement and balance.

Not great but a very fun cool 10 rounder just the same.

RBR
1 SA
2 SA
3 RO
4 RO
5 Draw
6 SA
7 RO
8 SA
9 SA
10 SA
Sergey 97-94 on my card.

 

Felix Tito Trinidad vs Fernando Vargas

Quite an enjoyable scrap despite the foul fest and 3 or deductions, this was still a fun fight to watch. 6 KD’s lots of ebbs and flows and momentum shifts. Lots of resiliency and heart shown by both guys coming back from adversity. At the end the up and coming guy succumbes to the punches of the more proven guy.

Fernando May have gotten put here a year and 2 fights before he should have but he was still impressive. A little deceptive defensively and ducks and slips punches better than I recall. Pretty solid head and body movement from a stationary flat footed guy. Gets caught by a wicked left 30 seconds into the fight and goes down again seconds later. 2 minutes left in round 1 and it looks over....Fernando slowly gets his legs back under him and fares well the remainder of the round. Tito continues stalking in 2-3 and winning rounds but Fernando is competitive and gaining in confidence. Round 4 Vargas knocks Tito down and has him in trouble. Tito fights back and lands another low blow!!! Pt deducted, and what looked to be over in rd 1 is now dead even on my card. Vargas keeps the pressure on and takes round 5 to go ahead after a disastrous start. Rounds 6-9 are all closely contested but I felt like Tito was edging them and slowly wearing Vargas down. Another pt deducted from Tito in 7 and this fight is still tied on my card. Round 9 is fun enough to be considered as a round of the year candidate. By 10 Vargas looks slower and his punches have less on them, but he battles back in both rounds almost stealing them at the end. Round 10 this time it is Vargas with a low low deduction, and although he was warned a few times they were not as sever as the ones from Tito. Round 12 Tito lands and down goes Vargas. 3x’s fight is over!

Very fun competitive fight inspite of my 5 pt card!

RBR
1 Tito 10-7
2 Tito
3 Vargas
4 Vargas 10-7
5 Vargas
6 Tito
7 Tito 9-9
8 Tito
9 Tito
10 Tito 10-8
11 Tito
12 all over!
Tito 104-99