Picture of Sonny Liston and Rocky Marciano

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  1. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Lavorante was a ranked fighter for around 3 months Rademacher was never a ranked contender.
    When are you going to provide the date when Bob Baker was number one contender?
    Today would be good!
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No I don't miss the point I'm just pointing out your double standards as usual!

    Unforgiven named two fighters they both faced and Marciano got them out of there quicker than Williams!

    Like you said pal it's all about the quality of opposition, Marciano would have a long list of quick knockouts had he faced Williams' opponents.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    Before 1946 Charles beat
    Teddy Yarosz
    Anton Christoforidis
    Joey Maxim x2
    Charley Burley x2
    For a guy bragging about how he has studied Ezzard Charles you have a surprisingly vague idea about what he was doing in 1943,44,&45!
    You say he was in the Army for 3 years.WRONG try ONE YEAR.
    You say he didn't fight from 43 to the end of 45 WRONG!
    In1943 he fought both Jimmy Bivins and Lloyd Marshall.
    In 44 he took part in the pro LHVY Services tournament in Rome having 2 fights
    In 45 he was discharged from the Army.
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    Charles made the statement a couple of years after fighting Marciano another poster provided the quote and source and posted it here..
    Louis never said Marciano hit him the hardest. Louis said Al Delaney hit him the hardest and in his dressing room immediately after the fight he wouldn't even say Marciano hit him harder than Schmeling,he just said," he punches pretty good" and," this kid knocked me out with what 3 or 4 punches ? ,Schmeling hit me with right hands all night ,he then qualifed that statement by saying,"of course I was younger then,you can take more punches when you aren't old"
    Cokkell said that after returning for the US when he was interviewed by Peter Wilson.
     
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    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Walcott also stated Marciano hit harder than Louis, one of the hardest hitters of all time.
     
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    Yes he did.On the TV programme How It Was.
     
  7. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So there we have it, Marciano hit harder than one of the most devastating punchers of all time. Not bad for a useless midget.
     
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    I've never called him a useless midget, or implied he wasnt a very hard puncher.
    Your butt hurt is affecting your game badly here.
     
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    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No but you have to say he was one of the hardest hitters of all time?
     
  10. choklab

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    Bob Baker was #2 heavyweight contender in 1955. I have the November and December ratings of Ring Magazine. And Bob was #2 in both of them behind Archie Moore. A bout between Baker and Valdes was made to decide who would fight Marciano next, an official eliminatior. Baker was the winner but the fight so bad that he did not inherit the #1 ranking from the magazine since “neither apparently wanted to be Marcianos next victim. So instead of fighting to win, bob and Nino acted as though they were doing their utmost to lose and get eliminated” - Joe Smith Ring Magazine Feb 1
    I have the February 1956 edition of ring magazine with the November 1955 ratings in them. Bob Baker was #2 and in this edition Baker won an elimination to fight Marciano but the fight was so bad he did not inherit the #1 rating.

    "Neither apparently wanted to be marcianos next victim.so instead of fighting yo win , Bob and Nino acted as though they were doing their utmost to lose and get eliminated " - Joe Smith page 9 ring magazine. Feb 1956.
     
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    Baker was actually unranked at the time of his loss to Moore, having lost two of his last three fights.

    https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/47573957
     
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    Bob Baker was #2 heavyweight contender in 1955. I have the November and December ratings of Ring Magazine. And Bob was #2 in both of them behind Archie Moore. A bout between Baker and Valdes was made to decide who would fight Marciano next, an official eliminatior. Baker was the winner but the fight so bad that he did not inherit the #1 ranking from the magazine since “neither apparently wanted to be Marcianos next victim. So instead of fighting to win, bob and Nino acted as though they were doing their utmost to lose and get eliminated” - Joe Smith Ring Magazine Feb 1
     
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    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Not nino Valdes though. Baker was rated in 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1955.
     
  14. mcvey

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    Bottom line ;
    BAKER WAS NEVER THE NUMBER ONE RANKED CONTENDER.
    You nearly got around to admitting it,progress?
     
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    Incorrect statements by you
    Baker was ranked no2 when Moore beat him=He was unranked
    Rademacher was a ranked contender when Moore beat him =He wasn't ranked EVER!
    Charles was in the Army for 3 Years=One year
    Charles never fought in1943,44,or 45=He fought twice in43, twice in 44.