Marciano's Power?

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  1. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft He Who Saw The Deep Full Member

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    I agree wit the premise of this post, but it should be pointed out that both beat those guys in rematches

    Edit: Lewis at 37 was trading heavy with Vitali Klitschko
     
  2. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just not true, you might suffer the effects more after but you don't perceive shots differently at 38 than you would at 33. You feel the same power whether you're 21 or 35.
     
  3. Unforgiven

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    Okay.
    Holyfield didn't KO anyone from 1998 to 2004.
    Bean went 12 rounds with him in 1998, but a year older he's good enough to KO Joe Louis.
    Like I said, this is all the common sense of people who want to discredit Marciano.
    Few people would claim Joe Louis in 1951 wasn't way way over the hill, but the idea that he was on a different level of "shot-ness" to most other 37 year old fighters is just plain nonsense.
    He was still a very skillful boxer and wouldn't be a push-over in a couple of rounds or reduced to a less durable foe than Bean or Ruiz.
     
  4. mcvey

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    This is total BS!
     
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  5. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No it's total fact.

    I'm going through the motions now at 34, do I feel shots differently at this age than I did at 25? Does my brothers jab feel harder now I'm older? Does it fcuk! I'm sorry but you are talking pure bollocks pal!
     
  6. George Crowcroft

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    Bull****
    A man of 76 is going to feel more pain than a man of 24
     
  7. Wass1985

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    I ain't talking about pain, you ever been in the ring?

    You don't feel pain when getting punched to the head unless it's a well placed nose shot, you do feel the weight and force behind a punch though. You don't feel the force behind the shots any differently at 33 than you would at 38, what utter tripe.

    Of course you can be hurt to the body but Walcott was an adonis at 38, he was still a strong athlete. To try and suggest he stated Marciano hit harder than Louis because he had aged by 5 years is absolute bull**** and you know it!
     
  8. George Crowcroft

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    Yes i have been in the ring, the power doesn't change I'm not a moron, but the perception of someone's power does, If I was to throw a left hook a 97 year old man, and my grandad threw the exact same left hook at that man at 19 years old, the perception of that power (which in this scenario would be the same) would be wildly different. That's what I mean by Walcott could be wrong. Age is a factor in how one perceives power. It just is
     
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  9. Wass1985

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    He was 38 for fcuks sake hardly some decrepit pensioner! I'll say it again, the force of the shots feel the same wether you are 38 or 21.

    Marciano would have still put Walcott to sleep with that shot wether he was 33 or 38, to suggest otherwise is plain stuuuuupid!
     
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  10. George Crowcroft

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    It's plain stupid to suggest that a slowing 38 year old man who outboxed Rocky for 13 rounds wouldn't be able to go two more rounds with the same guy if he was 5 years younger? Ok believe that.
     
  11. Unforgiven

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    There was 4 years and 3 months between Walcott getting hit by Louis and getting hit by Marciano.
    He was in great physical shape throughout.
    If his judgment is to be thrown out because he'd got a few years older, then there are very few comparisons like that that can be accepted.
    If Ali says Shavers hit harder than the rest, would be throw it out because he was 35 and not 32 or 30 ?
     
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    He might be able to go 2 more rounds but probably due to have slightly better legs and not getting nailed flushed in the 13th like he was.

    "outboxed Rocky for 13 rounds" is a gross exaggeration, I reckon.
     
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  13. Wass1985

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    You are moving the goalposts yet again, age is nothing to do with it. On another night at 38 he may have avoided that right hand and won the bout. My point is Walcott was going to sleep if that same shot landed on him at any age of his career.

    The results show for themselves, if Walcott stated Marciano hit harder than Louis then I believe him!
     
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  14. mcvey

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    Look up the records of some of the guys noted for their durability ,notice how men that would not have stopped them in their prime turned the trick as they aged.It's not even debateable.
    See how a power shot affects you when you are nearly 40 with a career of fights under your belt!
    Do you think the men that stopped Charles late in his career,guys like Donny Fleeman and George Logan could have done it when he was prime?

    ps Do me a favour don't call me pal ,McVey or Mac if you like.
     
  15. Wass1985

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    You are missing the point yet again!

    You don't think a big part of the reason they lose and are stopped by these inferior opponents is because they have deterioted offensively and defensively? The more you slide the less you hit and the more you get it.

    True your durability will eventually fade but you still gauge force exactly the same, Walcott wasn't that much older and was still in great condition. He wasn't some poor sickly old man getting the stuffing knocked out of him.

    Don't take it personal pal but you do talk bollocks sometimes. :)