The Walker vs Greb title fight

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Longhhorn71, Apr 18, 2019.

  1. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    Messages:
    12,714
    Likes Received:
    3,455
    THE 1925 Fight of the Year was the definition of pound-for-pound super fight, featuring two greats in a bout that lived up to all expectations. Welterweight champion Mickey Walker was the brutal ‘Toy Bulldog’ who earlier that year had got the better of light-heavyweight king Mike McTigue over 12 rounds. The defending world middleweight champion Harry Greb was an incomprehensible fighting force able to withstand any blow and move and strike with the rapidity of a man much smaller that terrorised every fighter worth his salt up to heavyweight.

    In a borderline street fight before more than 50,000 spectators that makes the widespread folklore of an plainclothes tussle taking place post-fight insignificant, the men slugged it out for much of the bout, with The New York Herald Tribune calling the second session ‘one of the greatest of all time’. Just when Greb pulled away Walker was there, defiant.

    As the bout went on, Greb’s angles and added strength did take their toll on Walker, culminating in a 14th-round drubbing that had the welterweight king out on his feet.

    Walker’s ability to spin a yarn is almost as lauded as his fighting prowess, but no one could describe the savage display of superiority Greb dished out in the penultimate round better.

    “I was knocked ragtime, not off my feet, but I was silly,” he said. “You know, like a man walking in a dream.”

    FAST FACTS

    RESULT Harry Greb (USA) w pts 15 unanimous Mickey Walker (USA) DATE July 2, 1925 VENUE Polo Grounds, New York, USA AT STAKE World middleweight title, Greb defending AGES Greb 31, Walker 23 WEIGHTS Greb 11st 5lbs, Walker 10st 12lbs REFEREE Eddie Purdy attendance 50-65,000 FINAL CAREER STATS Greb 262-17-19, Walker 131-26-5 AND ALSO Greb had already boxed 14 times in 1925 before fighting Walker; at the start of the year Walker had beaten world light-heavyweight champion Mike McTigue.

    “THE two men stood toe-to-toe in round after round, hitting out for all they were worth. One is somewhat surprised to read that Walker should have elected to do his bit on these lines, as with wallop for wallop as the order of the day, the heavier metal was bound to prove the more effective. Greb is a curious, yet brainy fighter, who when hard pressed by a fleet-footed opponent, is apt to mill on the retreat, and is able to produce a terrific punch, even when jumping off the ground. Mickey may have been so impressed by the middleweight champion’s ability in this respect that he decided it would prove a better paying policy to make a sizzling battle of it. It was a policy that more than once came within an ace of success, though it came as nearly within approach to disaster. Each man is said to have been badly shaken in turn but, carried on, with Walker getting somewhat dazed in the fourteenth round, but managing to hold on until his brain cleared, and then putting up as hot a fight in the final stanza as in any of the previous ones.”

    The New York street fight

    HOURS after their thrilling battle at the Polo Grounds on July 2, 1925, legend has it that Walker and Greb encountered each other at a lobster shop on Broadway. The pair then reportedly drank and danced into the early hours of the morning, before relations turned sour.

    Mickey commented in The Spartanburg Herald: “After stumbling out into the morning air, all of a sudden Harry grabbed me by the back of the neck and said, ‘Just to show you I can lick you anytime, anywhere, I’m going to give you a walloping right now.’ He made a rush for me, so I stepped back and let him have a left hook on the chin. In a second, we were all over the street.”

    Allegedly, a police officer witnessed the incident and bundled the pair off the block. According to Walker’s account, Greb rang him shortly after the scuffle and stated, “Mickey, I’m sorry for what I just did, but don’t forget – I can always lick you.”

    http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/on-...-and-the-most-famous-street-fight-in-history/

    1925-01-07 : Mickey Walker 149¾ lbs beat Mike McTigue 160 lbs by NWS in round 12 of 12
    • Location: 1st Regiment Armory, Newark, New Jersey, USA
    • World Light Heavyweight Title (?)
    • Newspaper decision from New York Times, UP, & AP
    • Walker was the reigning Welterweight Champion
     
    roughdiamond and louis54 like this.
  2. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2007
    Messages:
    16,231
    Likes Received:
    15,262
    Nice post
    Wasnt the alleged street fight proven to be a myth now?
     
  3. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    Messages:
    12,714
    Likes Received:
    3,455
    I think so....but I thought Walker's pre-Greb 12 rd non-title fight victory (Newspaper) over the reigning Ltheavy Champ Mike McTigue was interesting. Walker's next 2 "tune-up" fights before Greb fight, Walker was at what we call JMW weights these days:


    1925-05-16 : Mickey Walker 153 lbs beat Lefty Cooper 154 lbs by KO in round 1 of 10
    • Location: Ewing Field, San Francisco, California, USA
    • Referee: Larry McGrath
    Walker knocked Cooper down for a nine-count prior, to knocking him out. Some observers, according to the San Francisco Chronicle felt that Cooper had barely beaten the count on the 2nd knockdown. The knockout came after about 1:30 of the round.
    • Walker's purse: $15,000
    • Cooper's purse: $5,000
    1925-02-24 : Mickey Walker 150 lbs beat Bert Colima 155 lbs by DQ at 0:53 in round 7 of 12
    • Location: Arena, Vernon, California, USA
    • Referee: Harry Lee
    Colima was knocked down in the 1st and 7th rounds. Colima's manager tried to apply smelling salts to Colima while Referee Lee was counting, thus prompting the disqualification.
     
    Last edited: Apr 19, 2019
    robert ungurean likes this.
  4. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,717
    Likes Received:
    8,939
    "Boxing News" out of England is selling a great t shirt of the Greb vs. Walker fight poster. Bought one and can't wait to get ir.
     
  5. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2008
    Messages:
    82,426
    Likes Received:
    1,465
    That’s my article......up until ‘Fast Facts’ and all that rubbish about the street fight which by the way I brushed off in the write-up of the fight

    It’s really annoying the magazine then put it on their website, stripped me of credit, and tacked on all that rubbish.
     
  6. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

    Joined:
    Sep 7, 2008
    Messages:
    82,426
    Likes Received:
    1,465
    Part of this was originally printed in Boxing News
     
  7. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,717
    Likes Received:
    8,939
    I bought it just by putting in "Harry Greb" t-shirts. It directed me to their t-shirt site. They also had Robinson vs. La Motta.
     
    louis54 likes this.
  8. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2015
    Messages:
    10,187
    Likes Received:
    19,437
    Greb.

    A legend among legends.
     
    louis54 likes this.
  9. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2005
    Messages:
    61,475
    Likes Received:
    46,004
    A reminder that Greb could really dish out the punishment. People tend to think of him as a powderpuff puncher or slappy artist. But he really hurt his opponents, even the big ones. Look no further than this fight against Walker, a couple of the Brennan fights were he had Bill reeling and out on his feet, an of course, the first Tunney fight.
     
    roughdiamond likes this.
  10. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2015
    Messages:
    10,187
    Likes Received:
    19,437
    Yep, he was a real hitter when he actually set his feet.

    Those unpredictable angles have gotta stun as well.
     
  11. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2006
    Messages:
    97,723
    Likes Received:
    29,071
    Yes its total bollocks.Greb had great difficulty making weight for the fight and had little solid food leading up to it.
     
    robert ungurean likes this.
  12. Longhhorn71

    Longhhorn71 Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2007
    Messages:
    12,714
    Likes Received:
    3,455
    Sounds right.
    Two months before the Walker fight, Greb was fighting
    at 168 lbs.


    1925-05-06 : Harry Greb 168 lbs beat Billy Britton 165 lbs by PTS in round 12 of 12
    Location:
     
  13. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2006
    Messages:
    97,723
    Likes Received:
    29,071
    Klompton could bring us up to speed on this!
     
  14. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2007
    Messages:
    55,255
    Likes Received:
    10,354
    This fight was filmed. Being that it was of significance, I refuse to believe that it hasn't been seen by anyone living. When exactly was the film considered " lost "?
     
  15. The Morlocks

    The Morlocks Boxing Junkie Full Member

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2009
    Messages:
    8,717
    Likes Received:
    8,939
    Nitrate film crumbles and becomes nothing with age. It was also highly explosive. The film just became no more.