Common sense says Anthony Joshua is NOT clean, how does he keep passing tests?

Show me 10 fighters built like AJ who were caught juicing.. most of them are natural looking builds, actually slightly flabby.

 

true, there is even a docu where a guy was microdosing and passed the test; if you have money you have to be very unlucky to get caught

 

NO, we use common sense you know like we did with Lance who BTW also "never" failed a test or at least the public didnt know about it

 

Aj never failed a test period.

Ortiz, Miller, Povetkin have failed.

 

Micro dosing is old as hell. Teams have been low dosing since the 90s iirc. That doesn't change anything. You want to be clean at test time, and if you control your intake vs dissipation you are golden.

Another thing micro dosing is not really a big concern. Its the truck loads of triamcynolone and other once non-performance enhancing medications that are used outside their scope with the help of TUEs that is killing sports.

 

So by your own standard then all athletes are cheats?

So how do they prove they are not?

Because if we go by what you just said nobody is clean and they have no way of ever proving they are.

 

well EPO test only came out only in 98, before that it was free run for everybody; I remember Pantani had a hematocrit level of 60 at one time

 

nope, not all; but if we see a dramatic change in results or body composition we have to be suspicious or at least take the results with a grain of salt

 

The biggest duh moment for me, nothing greater than Landis and Stage 17!

 

also; we have to remember the users are always and will always be one step ahead drug testing; every drug has to through 4 or 5 years of clinic studies before they are approved, you cant ban something that is not even approved but you sure can get your hands on it if you have a lot of money

 

Right, so there is not real logic there, fighters can and do burst in to bloom at any given time.

For example, featherweight Steve Robinson (13-9-1) was called in on days notice as an opponent for John Davison for the WBO featherweight world title.

He won, went on to make 7 defences of the WBO world title until he ran in to Prince Naseem.

Now, do I take away or stain his reputation by saying "he was 13-9-1, doing nothing in the sport really, got a phone call and suddenly turned in to a world level fighter.. he was 100% juicing"

And basically take a huge leak over a mans career, achievements and success because I can't really explain it so the logical answer must be he cheated?

Rather depressing don't you think and unfair without any evidence apart from a hunch.

 

LOL, I remember that and if we are skeptics ( like I am) not to different from last years Giro ride from Froome

 

You're not understanding his point. We can only judge on what we see and that is usually in the form of one's bodily transformation. For example, Big Baby Miller's body transformation from normal to super massive. That was not natural. Or take Barry Bonds. He was a normal looking player once, then he became massive.

 

I've somewhat stopped watching cycling with Team Sky or whatever they are now. It's like watching US Postal 2.0, but actually knowing they are backed by state run doping. I just can't watch it anymore.

 

Yeah I understand but @tommyt also said "a dramatic change in results" so I was replying to that.


As for body changes, debatable in my opinion, Fury, Ortiz, Whyte, Povetkin, Baby Miller didn't have drastic body changes, were not ripped or shredded and tested positive, so it can't just be he is ripped or body changes.

Joshua has changed, he has grown, he has the benefit of the very best sports science and money to eat the very best foods and supplements and everything that goes with it, that has to be taken in to account.

I'm not saying AJ is 100% without a doubt completely clean and always has been, I don't know, none of us do, all we have is test results and if any athlete is testing clean we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, that's all.

Just benefit of the doubt, or we are just ruining people reputations and staining achievements without any real evidence or knowledge and I personally believe that's unfair.