Which fighters do you think are clean?

So you are essentially accusing VADA of taking bribes.

You either believe VADA do their job properly and a fighter is either clean or dirty depending on the scientific results of their tests or you believe we can't be certain due to corruption.

Now tell me the likelihood of corruption for VADA, and how many atheletes could afford to pay for such bribes..

How cheap would it be to bribe VADA or is it just Anthony Joshua and a select few with the cash to make it happen?

Pick one.

 

As I understand it he's basically saying what even Conte is saying... testing clean doesn't mean you are clean, it's just that they didn't find anything. He's can be just doing it right or is being lucky (combination possible), as Conte called it more of an IQ test as anything else.
It's like if you robbed a house and they can't find any evidence who robbed the house... doesn't mean the one doing it is actually innocent.

 

Lets say Joshua tests positive yeah, the figure would be 8 figures imo. Imagine a 12 month ban would cost, 3 fights maybe ?? 100's of millions lost(Wilder fight revenue plus another couple of fights), not just Joshuas wage. I firmly believe everyone has their price, and the money that's on the table would sway anyone

 

Let's take the heavyweight division for example. If 5 out of 10 of the current Boxrec's top 10 have been officially busted for PED's at least once during their careers, then I think it's safe to say that they're all on it. At least the top 25 or so.

 

That’s a bad example because Amir also drinks and commits adultery but yes he shows no signs of PED use.

The classic sign of a clean fighter is someone who declines steadily with age. Especially athletically. Guys like JMM and Crolla who got better with age are massive dopers.

 

Hard to say but those that refuse to be tested by VADA are highly suspicious imo.

 

Wait... so now you are saying if a fighter is actually dirty... he has hired a chemist that has done such a good job it can't be detected by an agency like VADA... with their state of the art labs.... the same ones used by USADA and their entire database of known agents.

Come on man... that would be harder and more expensive to do than bribing VADA...

Like creating a virus that none of the antivirus orgs are aware of.... it takes some SERIOUS doing... and as ahteletes can't do that work themselves and need chemists...they need SERIOUS money to do it... and the risk would be huge... and the complexitty...for one chemist to fool a team of chemists...

The conspiracy is killing me....

You think if a guy gets tested, and it comes back clean... he still might have something else inside him? What is the likelihood of that>? Not saying it can't happen... but it rarely ever does.

 

We all need education on how PEDs testing actually works, how chemistry works, and how anti-doping agencies operate.... this is getting ridiculous like an episode of Breaking Bad... boxers and their chemists just creating the ultimate untraceable PED.

 

Jesus ****ing Christ you are so ignorant on this subject yet you insist on debating it. How do you know that it is rare for someone to pass a test whilst taking a substance? Victor Conte, Memo Heredia and many others made careers out of this expertise.

 

No you are the ignoramus who failed their GCSE's ... you can't even spell chemistry without googling it.

You can't fool an anti-doping agency just like that... for ****s sake....pathology is an exact science...your blood can tell you the last time you went to the gym and worked out... to fool these guys you would have to create a substance entirely new.. NOT ****ING EASY

 

It’s “his GCSEs”. What a complete donkey you are attacking my spelling whilst making two grammatical errors in the process. Three really since “Googling” ought to be capitalised.

All that black **** cum you’ve been guzzling has been damaging your IQ.

 

Danny Garcia for example, Keith thurman.
Both look natural.

Porter possibly although he worked with some dodgy people

Wilder and fury are off, their bodies don't look the same. Fury has the massive weightless as an excuse but wilder straight up lost 20lbs of muscle on his upper body when the testing got tough.

Cotto was probably natural, never blew up and looked jacked as he went up in weight. Looked like a child Vs canelo(who looked very suspect from Kirkland to GGG1 fights)

Amir khan.

GGG probably

Maidana looked natural

Kovalev possibly natural

Loma possibly

Crawford is probably natutal


Pacquiao, Marquez, Mayweather are some of the most blatant abusers of recent years.

 

Very possible, but it's also that many PED's have a very small detection window, which means that if you time it right the chance of being detected is pretty damn small.

Which is highly illegal and you have a much bigger problem on your hands if they report you to the authorities.

The hard to detect drugs are already been developed and experimented with. Most are just in existence already as medication or something completely natural (like xenon gas or blood doping). They only have to test with it, when it's undetectable.
This isn't some tin-foil hat kinda thing.

Yes! Did you miss the last 30 years of doping cases? Many dopers never got caught while admitting use or later getting caught by retests of samples.

 

If using "Their/They" as singular reference was good enough for Shakespear, it's good enough for me. Then again you probably got taught English by the Fury family, in which case I understand how they neglected to inform you of gender-neutral reforms in the English language.

Besides, I didn't take a stab at your writing, I understand we are in a very informal setting on this forum, I merely poked fun at your lack of scientific education; your inability to comprehend the most basic of scientific concepts.

Your IQ is probably the same as Fury's, quite low.