Which fighters do you think are clean?

Wlad Klitschko. He is in his 40s and retired. Theres no need for him to do steroids now.

 

I do trust in VADA but with testing, just passing tests doesn't categorically define one athlete as clean. Passing the test in this instance does mean for all intents and purposes said athlete was clean at that time. This is the same for any athlete.

In other news a 90yr old was banned for doping...

https://www.bicycling.com/news/a25775222/90-year-old-cyclist-doping/

 

You still don't get it do you, AJ may well be clean when going through the testing programme with VADA but that doesn't mean he hasn't been cycling prior to the testing and also doesn't mean he isn't reaping the rewards from the course he went on.

All boxers in the top 10 or 20 should be tested all year round, it's that simple.

 

Yeah of course, just like the bank robbers of the past century, the greatest hackers of the past century... these things will always happen until the other side come up with preventive measures...

I am not saying it is impossible to cheat the system, just that it is unlikely, given the money it would require, the complexity... how much money VADA and other donors pump into research on anti-doping measures, lab equipment and testing.

The labs are run by experts in blood/ chemist pathology, geneticists... this work is very complex.... and the ability to cheat this system wouldn't just be available to every tom dick and harry in the boxing world, the top elite boxers yeah maybe...

Lab equipment is highly advanced today, and science has come a long way... when you inject a substance into your body, it starts off a chain of events that can be anticipated and recorded.... Lance Amstrong tried cheating the tests by injected his own blood... and by injecting small amounts of EPO so that it exits his system quickly before testers arrive...

Geneticists eventually figured out how to spot these things, it took a while but the science caught up.

 

im surprised people arent grasping this

passing tests doesnt mean anything. Barry Bonds was the most obvious roider ever and he passed every test he was given. And the excuse top guys dont have to cheat is out the window because he was a hall of famer before he got huge

Lance Armstrong beat tests for years

I think the testing has improved but so have the drugs. The testing always has to catch up to the drugs not the other way around

 

Amir Khan, Chisora, Crawford and Tyson Fury.

 

That is fair play, the tests aren't infallable, they can be fooled... it requires a lot of complexity and timing though, and even then you are still risking it when AJ has been tested for yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaarsss now... he must have a really good inside friend at VADA.

Miller was done for three different (mainstream) substances, clear to say AJ has not had those in his system because you cannot fool the test unless you have a LOT of time in advance of testers coming around... these substances are well known/documented/ scientifially analysed... any cacade effects that they cause while in your system will be picked up.

If AJ is on some type of designer, custome made PED that has some type of undetectable cellular structure or what have you ,... then it must be working pretty damn well, and he must have paid a ton for it.

 

AJ has been test for 7 weeks now with another 6 weeks to go of testing... what possible reward could he be "reaping" from a previous cycle??? Name me a few...

You really need to be cycling a PED a few weeks (at least) before the fight, otherwise you have several weeks of just reverting back to normal performance....

Unless you are telling me AJ took one of those Jason Bourne gene altering drugs, where you cycle off it once it becomes "locked in" to your DNA LOOOL

Yeah please give me some off that.... that would be pretty awesome.

Not how PEDs work man... unless I am missing something...???

Reap the rewards of a PED after cycling off for over 14 weeks??

 

Just look at cycling and athletics for instance.
Many, many more tests and lots of offenders (not just the rich ones) that got away at first and then busted later if retested, became part of a large scandal (lab or supplier caught) or just fessed up.
Some of them actually passed hundreds of tests, not like Armstrong who actually got busted and got away with it.
Issue is, things like (dyn)EPO, blood doping and Xenon gas couldn't even be detected at one point, and those aren't designer drugs but just medication, regular blood and a naturally occuring gas. Of course they beat the tests with that at the time of testing and blood doping still isn't detectable itself as it needs a blood passport to find irregularities.
And that's the tip of the iceberg.

We got athletes at the Winter Olympics that were tested and passed over 20 times by different agencies at the 17 day event. Now there are significant clues that these athletes weren't clean at all and we're in for another scandal.
But they passed the tests anyway.

 

I agree - it definitely happens, and history is proof.

But if Miller got popped for EPO, HGH, and Endurabol, then safe to say AJ doesn't have those... unless he has bribed VADA.

Otherwise he may have a designer drug in his system, that is not yet detectable. He has been tested for several weeks now, and many more weeks to go.

Let us not underestimate the testing equipment available today, and the pathologists/genetecists that go to extreme lengths to analyse blood work/DNA.

I just think its easy for some people to jump on the PED accusation bandwagon and ignore the true power of naturally gifted atheletes.

 

You always bring this discussion and similar debates back to this point for some reason. (Suspiciously much like a former poster used to do...)

I don't see anyone denying that some people have athletic genetics - so I'm not sure why you keep banging that drum. It's a straw man argument. People aren't saying that PEDs are the only reason why Joshua is in shape, it's clearly not.

It's like you want to believe that people 'ignore the true power of naturally gifted athletes' - but I don't see much of that at all. Just people discussing the possibility of Joshua also using PEDs given how prevelant it is in the sport.

 

Think you are missing the whole point. I never said they are bribing the agency. There are ways to test clear and still be on allsorts. Again I'll say, go watch the Icarus documentary.

 

Not necessarily. HGH for instance has a very short detection window, which also explains why none of it was found in Miller's 3rd test, which "only" showed GW1516 and EPO.
If he had been tested a couple of days later, they never would have found HGH at all.
It's about when the test take place.

Possible, or he just uses what's known not to show up in your blood/urine for long. Which is quite a list.

I don't, I just know there are limitations on what they can do. Otherwise it got a lot harder to cheat for many athletes.

There definitely are, some are extremely talented, strong and fast without use of any substance. But when something looks fishy, history has shown that it probably is.

 

Go and watch the Conte interview, he states you'd have to be a buffoon to be on the gear just prior to competition as you reap the rewards when you are a while off it. This is month's after not just a few weeks. AJ could have been on certain stuff for a number of months before he's tested and with not a trace of the substance if done right.

 

Fury tested positive already