Which fighters do you think are clean?

Well they are very stupid then arent they... mostly Miller because he was in very a priveleged position..
take 6 million for free....or risk it for a slim chance at all the belts.

I think this recent catastrophe will deter many other heavies from risking VADA doping... and maybe the reason all these twats are avoiding 6 mill paydays

 

Yep, 6 weeks is not enough to flush all the roids out

 

That's not how testing works.
You don't get popped for having fishy blood work that suggests you're on "something"

You get popped for a specific substance or its metabolites, so if the substance you are taking is not on the banned list yet, or do s not have a test developed for it yet, then you're good!


Therefore use a new steroid, that is a slightly altered version of a previous one, and doesn't produce detectable metabolites and you're good until they catch on, then you repeat.


And yes there are "chemists" you can hire for that.

That's how the "clear" worked,

This is not inside knowledge, the information is all online if you do the research

 

Not really it's just easy to put yourself in their shoes, you really think AJ will be the Guinea Pig?

You can do all the testing on a hanger on, half-life, benefits, etc......

You carry on walking with your heads in the clouds pal.

 

You talk about tapering off before testing like atheletes get a calendar invite from the tester to accept or decline... doesn't work like that...

AJ is on VADA testing right now for 14 weeks... he aint gonna risk doing anything unless he already has VADA in his back pocket.

Lance did indeed microdose EPO... but these actually has a high risk of raising a red flag especially today.

Baseline tests and "biologicial passports" essentially snapshots of the atheletes normal bodily functions and ranges are recorded and used to detect for any abnormalities on test day, and doping agencies have caught onto micordosing, already reliable testing in place in france since 2016.

Tests arent infallible, neither is the drug, nor the person administering it to avoid detection.

 

Like someone said you can hop off before the testing period starts. If you're masking usage you may not need to hop off at all.

Sure they're aware of microdosing, but not even the biological passport can do anything but raise flags. It's not effective in detecting microdosing. They have to account for natural fluctuations, and altitude training can cause a significant increase.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-32983932
This guy did EPO for 10 weeks and passed all tests including biological passport lol.

So nothing to detect growth hormone usage other than good timing. EPO extremely hard to detect even with biological passport. Testosterone easily masked and gains remain even when off. How does testing mean you're clean again?

 

That is not the only way PEDs are detected, baseline blood work is collected, and any changes or abnormalities across the parameters are investigated. You should research the biological passport system used by anti-doping agencies...

It's very similar to when you run private bloodwork with a pathology clinic... they have all your baseline measurements/tolerances and thest test a series of blood components to see which ones are abnormal... it is not simply the case of detecting a substance in your body that illegal like steroids... that is a schoolboy/basic method and this why we are all discussing designer drugs!!! The body is extremely complex on a genetic level, and different types of PEDs which trigger genetic changes in the body which require complex testing methods..

 

So what about substances with such a short half-life like HGH, etc?

You do know VADA allows you to at least miss 1 test? If you take something like HGH the odds are massively stacked in your favour that the testers won't call in the time frame that it's in your system.

 

Yes I know about that amateur guy who tried the EPO, but the passport system has made great strides in identifying the markers required to detect microdosing adminsitration.... and france have been using as they tested it against several athletes with microdosed epo ..

Better question is....how effective is micro dosing EPO at this level when you are trying so hard to beat a sensitive system like passport???

How does testing mean you are clean? It can never mean you are clean of everything, but for the avoidance of doubt it can mean you are clear for the maintrstream drugs like Miller was using, unless you are using a highly undetectable designer drug that causes the same performance enhancements but through a different biological mechanism.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24730151

A news report on just how long steroids benefit you for.

 

Again the are different ways of testing for HGH, yes the short time window does pose a problem hence the new methodologies employed by the passport system are much more effective in catching abusers by looking a specific marker profile, which actually led to some interested disqualifiications in the 2012 olympics.

What is the new methodology? The GH-2000 method combined together with baseline marker profiling for the athelete, accounting for the age, ethnicity and other factors which help detect certain serum proteins that are created as a direct result of HGH administration which have a much higher half life that a few hours, but the synthesis of these serum degrade with age, so an athelete profile is required as part of the testing.

So ask yourself this... how the **** did Miller get caught with HGH? He must have had to do it very frequently to get caught... you should be able to take it one midday and it almost gone by morning.... VADA must have a good testing profile in place hard to beat.

 

How, well he's just been busted for 3 different substances so I think that confirms his team are a bunch of cowboys. I can envisage them injecting him on fight night for that added edge.

 

That's a whole new level of stupid to attempt it close to fight night.... the new passport system builds an accurate biological marker profile for each individual because we are all genetically different... and that's what makes it so reliable....

they will have had Millers profile on record...and any deviation in serum protein count created as a direct result of HGH administration would have been detected and compared against his passport profile... whether he took the HGH on the same day, a 2 days before of even a week plus. Those serum proteins baselines do not change much for each individual, their synthesis decreases inversely as HGH secretion declines with age.

 

I know what a biological passport is. They're not used in boxing yet.

Boxers don't fail for "abnormalities" or deviations from their baseline levels.
They fail for specific substances that are banned and can be tested for.

If the substance is (not yet) known/banned/tested(because it has been altered and no longer produces the typical metabolites) or isn't easily detectable then athletes can abuse the **** out of it.

PAC was on GW, how do you think he got his punch volume that high, that far above his original weight?
A test was developed for GW in 09/10 exactly when PAC started noticeably declining.(not in his reflexes and skills but his relentlessness and pace)

Margarito was probably on GW on top of his bricks



Everybody already knows about Mosley and EPO

HGH is VERY widely used in sports and it's actually a damn miracle miller got caught for it because it gets out of your system THAT quick.