Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Thought he has a lot less then 130! Thought it was more around 40 at HW never looked up the exact number. And yes his KO percentage dropped drastically butttt he didn’t start fighting at HW till a later age in life. Still an impressive record for a man who started small.

 

He gets beaten to a pulp within two or three rounds.

 

Remember folks if you shift the goal posts and make inane points about a fighter being stopped when he was a last minute replacement or when they were clearly shot (literally and figuratively) it's still a valid point and you are simply "employing a different view".

Doesnt matter if fighter A was a rookie and fighter B had over 100 fights, all that matters is fighter A was forced to go the distance, ergo, any decent man under 200 would also be able to go the distance (ignoring the fact fighter A not only wasnt prime yet but he brutally stopped that exact same fighter later on when they were closer to prime).

Doesnt matter if a fighter was dropped by slick elusive counter punchers or that they had to make their opppnent punch himself out. Styles dont matter, you simply have to be able to "hit as hard as the guy who dropped a given opponent". Lets ignore the fact much harder punchers were unable to put a dent in that same opponent. Its almost like theres more to boxing than simply hitting hard!

It's completely valid to ignore reach or height or weight if fighter B has had to deal with that his whole career. What difference does it make? Why would it suddenly become an issue if they were always able to find a way regardless of the size of the opponent? Who cares if literally none of his opponents had anywhere near the weight and strength advantages of fighter A?

All of fighter A's quality wins can be downplayed and made to look like less than stellar wins. Find all kinds of excuses for the loser and explain away bad performances. Do the opppsite for fighter B's opponents: all of them were prime regardless of age or if they lost 2 or more of their last 5 fights. Doesnt matter if their career started 15 years prior with multiple stoppage losses, use the ol "they age like wine" argument. Let's also ignore them looking and performing considerably worse immediately AFTER their matches with fighter B.

If you follow these guidelines you'll have your opponents in a punch for sure. Avoid name calling and deny any and all accusations of being dishonest or attempting to troll to frustrate the other debater and make them seem like the unreasonable one. If they point out your hypocrisy or that you made a factual error, dont man up and admit it, simply change lanes and shift tbe goal post to maintain the high ground. If all else fails, simply write that you "agree to disagree".

Did I miss anything?

 

Nope you covered all the bases!lol

 

Not many fights at heavyweight then? No wonder some still call him a light heavy lol

 

great post.

 

I never said he didn't fight at heavyweight,I said he wasn't a great heavyweight puncher,and he wasn't.

 

Yes only 40 heavyweight stoppages,that’s more inside the distance wins than the great Joe Frazier had fights! 3 stoppages less than Marciano himself though to be fair so yeah not a lot really then.

 

I don't even think it goes 2.

 

I won’t name names but it is ironic that some here are making excuses for Foremans knock down (referring to that as a flash knock down) and poor performance against lesser fighters when he was younger but do the exact opposite with Marciano. If I hear the name Lowry one more time or hear Marciano was “seriously hurt” In his two knock downs where he was down for a total of 5-6 seconds without wobbly legs or clinching after I’m going to refer to this post and the blatant hypocrisy. There is no perfect fighter people and when discussing the top 12 or so anyone should be able to win any given night including Marciano over foreman although because of styles I’d bet foreman on this one but wouldn’t count out marciano

 

Marciano's stamina was far better and i think his one punch ko power was much more remarkable than Foreman's.
Foreman just looks to good because he beat an over the hill and out of shape half-blind Frazier.

 

Young knocked down and beat Foreman. That's what happened. That said, Young was a bit of a de facto heavyweight champ anyway, it was up to him and Norton for the WBC belt, and many people (including me) thought Norton lost that fight.

There's also the fact that Young was (despite being more of a slapper than a puncher) an excellent boxer, whom I bet would have given guys like Liston, Tyson, and Frazier a hard time as well.

 

How many over men of any quality ?
218 fights how many opponents were class?

 

Name names, why not?
Was Foreman knocked down against Young , does that constitute a flash knockdown or not? Most including the commentators called in a slip.
Marciano said he blacked out against Moore I didn't. you want to call him a liar fine! I've never suggested he was in trouble from the Walcott knockdown and anyone who says otherwise is a ****ing liar!.

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On and on it went as the drama built. Desperation swimming through perspiration, capped by domination, all to the tune of “Jeemie Young!!! Jeeemie Young!!! Jeemie Young!!!” Then, in the 12th, Jimmy mounted a rally of counter punches which had George tripping over his own feet and finally grasping the top rope as he slid to the canvas. One minute later, it was over and the dreaded wait for the decision began.

The final tally: 115-114, 116-112, and 118-111. George’s humiliation was complete. Jimmy Young headed to the winner’s circle with Howard Cosell while George Foreman slunk to the dressing room in defeat."n Juan changed a man, whether his trainers, handlers, and friends saw it or not; and George Foreman, the boxer, died while George Foreman, the evangelist, was born.

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Of course Marciano would have no trouble with Young.lol He just had two off nights with Lastarza.
ps |The KD against Foreman is debateable the commentators were surprised it was called a KD.
You can hear them shouting ,"slip no knockdown".

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