Which fighters do you think are clean?

This guy keeps going on about the biological passport, but that doesn't mean anything if the substance causing the red flags isn't on the banned list or does not have a test developed for it because the "chemist" made a few alterations to an existing anabolic steroid.

They all work more less the same anyway. You could theoretically play this game forever, keep adding or taking a molecule away here and there as soon as the testing catches up, as long as the active substance and the metabolites are "new"
Vada, usada, busada whatever can't do anything.


If the fingerprint on a murder scene belongs to someone who has never been in the system, then you can't prove who it is.

Same with the drug testing, if the substance is even SLIGHTLY different from any of the known ones, it's undetectable until the testing catches up

 

If you live or you're based on the west coast of the United States, if you live or you're based out of Central America, if you live or you're based out of Cuba, if you live or you're based out of Germany, if you live or you're based in the countries making up Eastern Europe, if you live or you're based out of the UK or you live or you're based out of Russia, you are probably training in a gym where doping is rampant.

If you live or you're based out of the midwest, south and eastern U.S.; Canada; South America; Japan or the Middle East ... you are more likely to be clean.

 

So explain to me how you test for EPO? Because miller also got popped for EPO on a separate test which has a short time window...so how many miracles are possible in succession?


Everything I have explained is how passport works by monitoring the effects of doping through biological variable and not the detection of the substance itself... if you bother to pay attention to what I wrote on GH and protein serums created as a result of GH secretion. There is a shift from the schoolboy method you go on about in detecting the actual substance itself... hence passport is highly effective.

 

Changing molecules around will still return an adverse finding with the CiR test for exogenous T. That said the bio passport doesn't really work either as dopers have defeated it too. All this talk is pointless as it has always been a litmus test, antidoping that is. The greatest dopers this world has ever seen did not beat the system with designer drugs and chemist.

He beat the system from the inside out.

Also, some of you need to watch Icarus. Rodchenkov goes thru a lot of high level strategies. He also talks about why its dangerous when you cannot get pure chemical because you don't know what else is in it which will lead to getting popped for the unkown. He also talks about the steroid wars between countries, like China whose now the top producer. Russia used to make their own guaranteeing purity but buying from China... you are taking chances. Chances like Cina putting out dirty T to stick it to other countries while they feed their athletes clean T. Talk about the doping wars.

 

You are completely wrong.... what you described is how pre passport testing worked.... with passport you are less concerned with the PED and more with the deviation in biological variable for the athelete in question.

When signing on for passport obviously you run baselines first... and i just explained earlier in the case of hGH administration specific serum proteins are created as result of hGh secretions... in normal circumstances these serum protein counts BARELY change at all for the athelete in question!!!! Passport takes into account the age ethnicity... and various bilogical markers for the individual.


you clearly aint researched nothing on passport as you dont even understand the basic concept of how it works.... COMPLETE opposite to substance detection which has proven to be unreliable in cases.

 

Would abusing the TUE system classify the athlete as clean?

Because that seems to be a good place for athletes to start.

 

No lol, the mainstream drugs are what's easily masked. Miller got caught solely on poor timing. You're right because of the testing that they have to use smaller doses. Look at gambaos cycle that was leaked. The optimal cycles are low doses anyway.

What these doses still allow is for the fighters to have a good camp and consistently perform in good physical shape. Personally knowing some natural pros, their performances from fight to fight varied wildly due to overtraining being a huge issue.

You really think people aren't going to use HGH when there is very little risk of getting caught, while giving great benefits?

As someone who's been in the sport and been around a lot of people in this sport, competitiveness is extreme. And as with anyone that's competitive, they will take any edge they can get.

 

ffs guys... Canelo?

 

here is a list of all the crap a person has to go through to get a TUE application processed.
https://www.lawinsport.com/topics/a...ns-open-to-abuse-and-how-can-they-be-improved

very interesting read for anyone interested in TUEs

 

The ones who don't make alot of money.

 

Canelo, AJ, Floyd every single one, including my own favourites.

 

VADA. Caught. Canelo.

 

That does not mean that he as stopped his juicing habits? Maybe he popped positive and there was other people there to cross-check the results and they couldn't bury it.

When it comes to juicing, I don't have any favourites or teacher's pets, they are all guilty.

 

Whilst it may seem like a ball ache to go through its a legitimate way of gaining an edge and it wouldn't surprise me if all top athletes are abusing the system.

Why wouldn't they? It keeps them within the boundaries of legality and can gain them some advantage.

 

You said that with enough money boxers can payoff VADA, well guess what the biggest star of boxing could not.