Which fighters do you think are clean?

Brilliant thread this

 

Come on you've never struck me as being naive but you do know Lance Armstrong and Marion Jones never failed a test?nothing to do with conspiracy as blood doping and the like is very real.

 

why is that,look at the guy,he's gone from being huge to someone in amazing shape,I'd say he's more suspicious than ever.

 

Yes and they don't view it as cheating,merely levelling the playing field.

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Larry David nails it here.

 

someone who knows his s*** and from what I've read those that did test clean and were doing super human things have been found to have funny looking blood levels and weird testosterone levels.

 

Lomachenko IMO, had too many ammy fights to come out with such a clean record. Also his build looks pretty natural. Tests with VADA etc. Have no reason to suspect him.

 

Just wanted to correct you and others on Lance. He did actually fail some tests but he was protected by a retroactive TUE. Thus publicly it is as you said he never failed a test. The public was none the wiser. Marion Jones and everyone at BALCO also didn't fail tests because at that time changing molecules to make slightly altered compounds worked and they knew how play with ratios to stay under WADA's threshold radar. Testing hadn't caught up yet but it would eventually. Trevor Graham leaving a dirty syringe behind also helped too which led Don Catlin to discover THG and that would lead to the end of BALCO. Question who is Don Catlin?

Going back to Lance, it seems the notion that Lance or some other hypothetical superstar could pay off the labs or agencies is incorrect. WADA and their minions wanted to catch Lance more than anyone else so there is no way he could bribe them. Who he did pay off was cycling's sanctioning body the UCI. He made a few donations for get this, testing equipment ironically. Lance somehow knew when and where the testers were. And he took every advantage of that. They used EPO until the test for EPO came out, then switched to blood transfusions, and on and on.

Lance was busted without a single shred of evidence because he never left any evidence. The only thing left were eyewitness testimonies and being the bully that he was he sued everyone into silence. I could go on and on if yall want... but just watch the documentary The Program...

On a side note it seems some on here want to discredit VADA and give the impression that they are synonymous with USADA, and I think that is just intellectually dishonest.

 

You can easily access VADA's guidelines, and like I said earlier you are allowed at least one missed test.

With rules like that you will take the risk with PED's with a short half-life.

 

Only those that are cloven footed and chew the cud, Jokes mods

 

The glaring flaw with the biological passport method is that the baseline meausrements of an already-drug-enhanced athlete are going to be recorded as his "norm".
They never got to measure him "clean" because he never was.

 

You want all natural?

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Fair point actually.

 

yeah Lance did foold the test but it was because of people like Lance that an entire realm of forensic pathology opened up with technology today like the biological passport system its much harder to fool modern day anti doping.

I am not naive to say the system cant be cheated through highly sophisticated designer drugs or microdosing but that the likelihood today is much slimmer and ability to find someone to do it for you is not as simple as everyone is making out.

 

As stated in the article there are ways to improve the system... and there are ways of abusing it too... like the surprising amount of baseball players that require steroidal asthma inhalers for their asmtha compared to the national average.

But there are also people out there with very real medical conditions where preventing access to medical or therepuetic susbtances will endanger their lives as they compete...

Furthermore... if someone has a serious medical condition requiring high doses of a prohibited substance then maybe they shouldnt be competing in their given sport at all.

All in all... there is a ton of processes and procedures to analsye all these factors on an individual basis... and if you see how many TUEs are actually granted in the grand scheme of things its not so much... and with the current stigma around TUE anyone using one will be "that guy/girl" who we might suspect and some even turned down from joining a national team or club...

so maybe that alone with deter the fakers from the ones who really need a TUE