Which fighters do you think are clean?

That’s great haha the bow at the end

 

If I have to read another thread of idiots saying "but Lance and Bonds never failed a test" I am going to lose my mind.

Both of them failed tests. Seriously guys, use Google for crying out loud. It's not difficult.

 

They can have access to the athletes location at all times, and they record the history of the athelete's samples for many years.... every test they have ever taken is used to create a historic biological profiles, and the testers/pathology experts know exactly the changes and discrepancies to spot based on what proteins/enzymes have what half life, etc etc.

They use complex modelling strategies to analyse the historic data... some guys here think it's REAL SIMPLE.... it's really not... you'd need a degree in maths/medicine to really understand how the testing is put together.

This all acts as a deterrent for the given abuser... so if they wanna stay on the gear for extended periods of time... they better hope their career window is short as hell.

Athelete Biological Passport (ABP) testing framework:

Targeted tests that follow the recommendations of the APMU should be privileged over Random Selection Testing to improve the effectiveness of the ABP. In general, the effectiveness of the ABP to detect doping is improved where both In- and Out-of Competition Testing and No Advance Notice Testing are distributed strategically throughout the year.

The Sample Collection Authority or the Sample Collection Personnel shall use its best effort to enter the ABP Doping Control form into ADAMS as soon as practicable. This connects the results of Sample analysis to the Athlete’s unique Passport, and links the new Sample data with the Athlete’s historical data for review by the APMU and ADO.

Once the new biological data are entered in ADAMS, the Adaptive Model in ADAMS automatically updates the Athlete’s Passport.

The APMU writes or updates the APMU Report in ADAMS including a review of the new or updated Passport with recommendations on intelligent Testing strategies.


Here are the WADA guidelines for implementing ABP.... it is a comprehensive framework that requires reading! https://www.wada-ama.org/sites/default/files/resources/files/guidelines_abp_v61_2018_jul_en.pdf

 

Dude... stop googling man.

French television report shows how micro-dosing can beat UCI Biological Passport

As part of a study carried out by Pierre Sallet of the Athletes for Transparency organisation with the blessing of the World Anti-Doping Agency, eight athletes were doped under supervision for a period of 29 days. The process was documented by France 2's sports magazine show Stade 2 on Sunday evening.

"It's another planet, it's not human," said one participant, amateur runner Guillaume Antonietti. "And it's very worrying when you think we only took micro-doses.”

Analysis of the blood profiles of the eight athletes who took part in the experiment demonstrated that they would not have fallen foul of the biological passport's parameters.

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/fre...icro-dosing-can-beat-uci-biological-passport/

 

And from the very same website

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/improved-epo-test-set-to-deter-micro-dosing-at-the-tour-de-france/

 

Were they announced as failed tests ?

 

Dude again stop googling. And that was for one out of three. **** you are proving to be dumber than the ppl you are arguing. The Tour is STILL the dirtiest sport in the world.

 

You're the one that is actually out of the loop. Maybe you should take your own advice?

Lance did not fail any tests publicly. And everyone from BALCO beat all the tests as well.

 

But dude you googled and shared an article, I shared an article from the same source that is more up to date.... why the injustice man...

why is my source not as good as yours

 

No, its because you think you know what you are posting to prove some vague point. Bio passport has been beaten many times. **** if it worked, cycling would be clean or cleaner wouldn't it? Except it isn't. It's just as dirty now as it was then.

Also, I don't think ppl here understand the nuance in cycling's doping. Those pros are looking for single digit performance increases where in the bush leagues doping wise of boxing they are noobs who think of large ass gains. Taking superman cycles like Miller is moronic makes the target the size of a street block.

 

My point still stands though.
If the athlete enters the ABP tests already enhanced and 'normalized', the testers never have a true measure of what his 'clean' and natural normal is.
They just have a 'normal' that the athlete's experts have manufactured.

 

No, that is not what I am saying.

However, I've already explained my views quite clearly about three times now, so either go back over my posts or move on.

 

I have already stated that there are limited ways of cheating the system as you mentioned single digit performance, microdosing, how much reward are atheletes really looking to reap? Shaving seconds of a time... etc

But the same way science caught up to Lance is the same way they are using passport to catch up to homologous blood transfusions and epo microdosing... the framework is sound it just needs time to understand the body better... and the body only changes so much... so it is not the case of keeping up with the next pill..

You need to have more faith instead of just bashing all this ****ing science and initiatives.... its disgusting bro... you sit at home and you havent contributed jack **** to the fighting dopers.... you just want to bash other people that invest the LIFE BLOOD TEARS AND MONEY into combating dopers...

Passport is highly sophistacated and it can't be evaluated through a couple of posts on a boxing forum,

Go learn about all the pioneers in antidoping that used the knowledge gained from dopers like Lance and analysing african long distance runners to evaluate human DNA/RNA encoding, to see exactly what is naturally gifted and what is artifically induced....

Gene editing is round the corner... and when that comes around you are gonna have WAY more problems then detecting doping agents because you will not be able to tell the difference between someone who has been geenetiically modified and someone who has a natural gift.

 

Dude you are getting more off the rails. Give it up.

 

Instead of bashing the Athlete Biological Passport why don't we start supporting it????????? You all wanna cry like little babies, at least people out there are investing million. decades of their lives dedicated to combating dopers in sports.

If it was that ****ing simple, why don't you go get a medical degree and join the ****ing war.

Show some respect to the science and innovation don't be an armchair cry baby all your lives.