Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Yes, intensity and murderous rage. Im sure there were maybe a couple or more heavyweights who had comparable raw power but foreman's savagery and bloodlust put him at the forefront of the list of dangerous hitters.

Your other points were very valid too. I just don't see how Marciano's style could overcome the severe clash of styles and size. The more i think about it the less likely i favor his chances. His best qualities (stamina and pressure) were amazing but Chuvalo, Frazier, and Norton's stamina were all top class and yet became irrelevant as they simply didnt last long enough for it to become a factor. None of them made it past the 3rd and tough as Marciano is even he'd be frustrated by the huge uphill battle from the opening bell. A single punch, no matter how big, wouldn't stop foreman (certainly not early) so going for broke with a Suzie Q may not be a viable option either.

 

Didnt Ron Lyle deck George early in the fight? Right hand too as I recall.

 

Did it stop him though?

 

No it didn’t stop George. But it Very nearly did. The bell went just in time.

 

But even if Foreman wanted to push Rocky back, it’s not a question of strength but a question of stance. It isn’t as possible to push even a smaller man back if he is as “side on” to you as Rocky was. Of course George is strong enough to push anyone back who hasn’t got one foot behind the other but Rocky was almost side on and crouched particularly low. If Foreman reaches out to push him he isn’t defending himself properly from those unconventional swings. You can either push or punch. You can’t do both at the same time and you can’t always see what’s coming over the top of a crouching man.

Using Joe Louis as an example, he was a strong man, shoved Max Baer around, claimed to have lifted Carnera up in a clinch, but once crowded by a lower crowding fighter he lacked the leverage to push back enough to find enough space. Rocky was strong but it wasn’t so much a question of strength but a question of stance.

George will rough up Rocky and effect a lot of his momentum all the same. He can turn Rocky in a clinch. These are two dangerous men. Anything can happen.

 

Now George can't push Rocky back.

 

Do you think marcisno can be pushed back as effectively as Frazier was?

If so, why do you think Joe Louis couldn't?

 

Wasn't Joe old for a boxer at the time of the Marciano fight?

I can't imagine prime Louis not beating Rock.

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Lyle of course was a physical match for Foreman.
Being forty five pounds heavier than Marciano.


Didn't Walcott and Moore deck Marciano early in a fight? I guess it's possible Lyle might duplicate that?

 

Louis was washed up at that point.

 

Yes it's a disadvantage being 4.5inches taller and 40lbs heavier with 10.5" more reach. Unfair to match poor old George with this tiny monster !

 

You have to come out of a side on stance to land the right hand.
Joe Louis was in his early twenties when he fought both Baer and Carnera and a washed up one-handed thirtyseven when he fought Marciano.
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Duplicate

 

When was 220lb Ron Lyle (in the Foreman fight) 45lb heavier than Marciano? Marciano was never 175lb in a title fight was he?

So you are saying Joe Louis was strong enough physically to lift up 260lb Carnera as a young man but can’t physically “push” a much smaller man at a time he looked stronger and heavier at age 37?

According to you Louis is physically stronger at 196lb than he was at 213lb?

Where else can we find evidence of the same man being physically weaker in a pushing contest when he is heavier?

Whilst at the same time you are strongly writing off a 7lb lighter man on the basis of weight and strength? Seems like a double standard to me...

 

Winning the title, Foreman was only 3lb heavier than Joe Louis was against Rocky.

Are you saying, the extra 3lb was the difference between being able to push Rocky back?

Eventually you will have to give some merit to the stance over strength theory. I can see you are getting closer it to it. You are nearly there.