Duran - Leonard rematch timeline

Autobiographies are the worst evidence of truth. When you read former Presidents autobiographies and memoirs you always see a pattern of building themselves up for things and blaming everything else on the failures. So even in a field not boxing, the truth is not in autobiographies. Quite the opposite.

 

I have heard too many excuses from fighters when they lose to buy excuses at all. Manny with the shoulder. Hearns with the legs with Hagler. Duran eating a steak and drinking two gallons of water on top of the other excuses,

 

I'm not getting into this dredged up post with you again. I said what I had to say first time around

 

me too.

 

Easy. Look at Durans body tight all muscle from MONTREAL and then the New Orleans version. Even Carlos Palomino said he knew Duran was not in shape when he took off his robe. Duran beat Leonards ass easily. Thought LEONARD was easy cheese. Spent all training just losing weight. Not getting sharp. Then pigged out as you showed. Simple really. How hard is it to understand. And then, when LEONARD himself has admitted to the idea of catching Duran offbase with a too quick rematch since the nov fight happened, why do you kooks deny it. Sugar HIMSELF admits Duran had no time to train properly. What more do you need? It is why "No Mas" was made. Because Leonard is still embarressed he couldn't beat him straight up. Even with all that Leonard was doing nothing to Duran. Wasn't hurting him. Wasn't landing often. Nothing. Face it kev and pern. your hero had to resort to tricks and have everything his way to win. ****. A 24 foot ring. C'mon man. Leonard was a coward. No character or honor. And he proved this throughout the rest of his career.

 

You are obviously blind. Can't see the difference? Ok .Ray Charles.

 

Amen brother

 

Lotta people missing the point of this timeline. Maybe they don’t know when the first fight took place.

You can forget all the talk about Duran’s weight. We know he weighed precisely 145 1/2 pounds on June 20. Because he weighed in that day and beat Leonard.

Two months and four days later, his manager says, publicly, that the rematch will take place in November. Duran HIMSELF says it two weeks after that.

I don’t think it’s humanly possible for Duran to have gained 30-40 pounds in 2 1/2 months. That’s insane. No eating disorder could cause that. You could lie in bed and eat nothing but ice cream for that length of time and not gain 40 pounds.

So he KNOWS the date of the fight (still 3 whole months away). Now if he somehow got to 175-180 pounds or whatever (I’ve even read over 200 lol) in 2 1/2 months, he has MORE than 2 1/2 months to work it off. IF he goes into training.

That puts us at the point that you have to ignore all the press accounts saying he’s training, with specific dates and locations. (Kevin missed one i’ve read a few times where a reporter from the Washington Post spent time with him in Miami where he trained for six weeks — the article is dated nine days before the rematch, so back up six weeks from there and you have Duran in a gym dating back at least to the beginning of October.)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...f64-b8ed-903ce91659ac/?utm_term=.30ab831ec90a

I guess you can conclude that Duran knew 3 months out and continued to gorge and not train (despite all the reports to the contrary). But if that’s the case, how is that Leonard’s fault for pressing for a quick rematch? For Duran’s entire career to that point they lined up fights as quickly as possible to keep him from getting too heavy. In his own words and his managers AT THE TIME, they know a couple of months after that the rematch is going to take place in November, so he has ample time to train any excess weight off.

 

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Perhaps this. It was never a mystery. Go to 21.40
"Duran looked listless and even uncoordinated." That was from a reporter. Doesn't sound like he was ready for a great boxer like Leonard.

Then Duran talked about the doctor that fed him diuretics and "drained" him. Yes Duran had struggles with weight for years..in your own your life experiences though. Ever push the envelope and get away with something for awhile until you don't? You go too far one day. He was actually abusing his body with that lifestyle. Factor in he had just won his greatest fight and he was gonna be in the $.

I'm just using common sense and logic. It's all speculation.

There's more to it though. I agree much of it was mental and Ray Leonard was gonna be prepared better. Then sadly Leonard went out and was disappointment.

It was a bad nite for boxing all the way around.

 

Thx. I speaketh my homemade reality.

 

I think it was a great night for boxing. A young fighter becomes great by learning the whole game. You guys don't like me responding with the same things over and over, but I hear the same things over and over in excuses from different people. Just excuses for Duran.. What does it matter what a reporter says. Duran was a professional with how many fights? 73? He didn't know what to do? Let's take the perspective that he was out of shape, which to me is a huge excuse. Is that really an excuse for a guy who was as experienced as he was and knew what he had to do, against the best fighter he ever fought? These excuses don't make sense. They are almost insults on people's intelligence. The logic.. myth.

Fact is , in shape or not Duran would have had a hard time catching Leonard who was moving. Even in the McCallum vs. Curry prefight Ray explained what he did in the Duran fight. He was the variable. Roberto was paid to be in shape and I think he was, he just couldn't fight Ray's fight as easily as his own. He lost easily. And I think that is hard for people to accept. Look at the McCallum/Curry fight here.

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43:58 and on. Barry Tompkins presents a question to Ray. That explains it. What does Ray say? Some will say that is an excuse for Ray unless you compare the first and second fights and how Ray moves on his feet differently.

 

It is quite obvious you are trying to shove the curry-mccallum fight down our throats. You like it! We get it.