Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Old George did some sort of strength workout I´m not aware of his younger version doing as well. If old George might have been, I´m not sure of finding it in the tape. We all know that 2nd career George fought extremely relaxed and energy preserving. If you check George soon after his pro debut, you might see the significant difference in effort.

Thats the thing I´m talking about. Old fighters just look on a lower "energy state" most of time, no matter whatever you want to see in that "old man strength".
So no, old George doesn´t look any stronger to me. As well as old George wouldn´t have manhandled Frazier the way energetic young George did.
Old Louis just looked worn and spent, what is exactly the point here.

 

Ok. So the discussion is still on what 37-year old Louis had left against Marciano, without anyone actually claiming that 37-year old Louis was much like peak Foreman? That is some impressive diversionary tactics by the Rocky backers.

My guess would be an early Foreman KO if he was allowed to use the same pushing tactics he almost always was allowed to use, while they technically might be illegal. He would push Rocky off at the shoulders and smash him with the uppercut. He was freakishly strong even for his 217-220 lbs and I have no doubt that the man who manhandled Chuvalo and Frazier would give Rocky a similar treatment.

If the ref clamped down early on George's pushing tactics it might get a bit more interesting, though. But stylistically I still think that Rocky's crouch is bad news against Foreman's uppercut. In most cases I don't think he'd be in there long enough to take George into deep waters.

 

Ok, so why arent they documented on boxrec?

Here's another question: why did he look visibly weaker and worse on film? Why did he only have 1 KO in his last 9 fights before the Marciano fight? Why was he so gunshy if he had all this marvelous "old man strength" and was stronger than he was in his 20's?

Wtf does any of this have to do with Rocky vs Foreman if youve already admitted old Louis wasnt in the same stratosphere as Foreman in strength?

Why keep bringing up the Qawi and Guido fights as examples of people crowding foreman if neither fought anything like Rocky, were heavier than he was, and both got demolished? I can bring up Amir Khan vs Canelo as an example of Canelo being "outboxed" for a couple rounds but he got knocked out in spectacular fashion so is that a valid example???

 

Because at no point have you addressed the unlikelihood of Louis being weaker at 213npounds...

He was active as a fighter throughout the period you think he wasn’t!

 

Does anyone think the current 147 pound 40 year old version of Pacquiao is physically stronger than the 138 pound 30 year old Pacquiao who brutally KOd Hatton?

 

Old George did way more weight training than young George. Bad example. He didnt even start doing pushups until after Zaire.

 

Were they heavyweights?

 

What is this? School-kid stuff? Foreman used a bull worker, george embarked on a Charles atlas program in his forties, therefore he is stronger?.

George came out of retirement after he read the cartoon about “the insult that made a man out of Mac”?

Foreman was tired of sand being kicked into his face?

 

Ok lets say i agree with you that he was somehow stronger than his younger self. His failure to outmuscle Rocky has nothing to do with George who manhandled 215-220+ pound boxers who were significantly heavier than Rocky and had more muscle mass. What difference does it make?

Louis having an 11% Ko ratio in his 9 fights (on top of a wide ud loss to Charles) prior to Rocky lets you know he obviously wasnt the same power punching fighting machine at 37 even IF he was physically stronger. He was gunshy and retired immediately after the loss. Thats the core issue here. It is an asinine false equivalency to bring up the old Louis vs Rocky fight for this discussion and you know it.

 

You really are a dumbass.

What is so complicated here? Young George didnt lift weights or do the kind of strength training old George did. This is a documented fact. Old George even describes at great length the kind of training he didnin his 40's in his biography, numerous interviews, and we see it in footage.

Theres nothing to ****ing interpret here you thick headed imbecile.

What difference does it make? You said a 40 something boxer can be stronger than he was a decade prior.

 

So he was as strong as a older man in your opinion thank you

 

Good post, appreciate your honesty and you agree George wasn’t any weaker in his second career anyway .

 

Wether we are discussing the young or old George he was always the stronger man in the ring so your sad at attempt at wit just failed.

 

Enjoyable thread. Good points all around

On the strength side, I personally know I am much stronger now than I was when I was 21. I've pushed moderate weights since my youth on a regular basis. However, my cardio is gone. As in, dropped off a cliff.

Make of that what you will.

 

Thank you for accepting this.