No love for Prograis here and elsewhere.

Relikh isn't a great champ, but he's not easy to look good against. Prograis systematically breaking him down like that isnt something just anyone can do.

 

People pick and choose. Crawford was beating scrubs and getting his profile raised. Relikh would be Crawford's second best opponent at 140. Why shouldn't Prograis' profile get raised a bit by the clinic he put on? I remind people, he destroyed the Namibian fluky man in more impressive fashion than Crawford did as well. Crawford still hasn't beaten any damn body. Old Khan? An Australian school teacher who got a gift against Pac? John Molina? Crawford's resume is more than laughable for people to claim he's pound for pound #1. Prograis would give Crawford the business and then some.

 

No need to turn a pro-Prograis thread into an anti-Crawford thread.

I'm a huge fan of both - I might be the biggest Prograis fan here, but he wouldn't beat Crawford.

Well, lemme be fair to Rougarou, let's at least see how he deals with Taylor first before we discuss his chances against Bud.

Regis surpassed expectations last night, but he's a effective because of his athleticism, quickness and skill.

Problem for him is, Crawford is more athletic, quicker, and more skilled. A good deal taller/tangier as well.

 

I'm a fan of both, too. To me, Bud is going to nearly impossible for a smaller fighter to beat. Nearly. The X-factor is whether or not whoever the smaller man is can counter hard enough to make Bud pay and second think his game plan. Bud hasn't fought anyone yet with the power, timing, and reflexes to reaply make him think twice about anything else besides what Bud feels like doing. Gamboa is the closest thing we've seen but didn't carry enough pop up.

It's too soon to tell if Rougarou could carry that X-factor up to 147, but of the 140 guys out there now, he'd have the best chance of it in my book. We'll see how it plays out- Taylor shouldn't be an easy night's work for him, so let's see how he handles that next step up (not that I'm ruling out Baranchyk, just think Taylor's the favorite)

 

Gonna be hard for Prograis to counter Bud.

Regis is a short guy with short arms. That doesnt really matter when he's in with Flanagan and Relikh, cause he's so much quicker than them.

But if he's in with Bud, and he no longer has a speed advantage, then his lack of reach is gonna become a detriment.

That means he has to get inside of Crawford, and even if that succeeds, he might not have the edge. Crawford is a lot physically stronger than people realize.

Bud is just an uphill matchup for Prograis, and I dont see Regis winning.

 

I like to look at how well a fighter did in the amateurs, it can be a decent indication of how good a fighter is. And Prograis is okay as an amateur. But he was beaten by Errol Spence twice (Yes okay, Spence is naturally bigger) and according to boxrec he's lost wide decisions to a few guys who got beat by Spence in close decisions.

Will he do well as a pro? Yeah, he will. He's beat some solid opponents so far as a pro. But will he be anything special? Probably not.

On the other hand, look at Josh Taylor's amateur career. He hasn't won any olympic or world medals, but back-to-back commonwealth medals (First time silver, second time gold) shows to me that he has great potential as a pro. He's done it when it counts.

That's the argument I always make for fighters like Joyce. Looks are deceiving. His vast experience as an amateur though tells you everything you need to know.

I forgot to take that into account for Mikey-Spence, and I won't make the same mistake again. Amateur careers give you a good idea of who's who. It's safe to say Josh Taylor is elite, but is Regis Prograis? We don't have any real evidence of that yet. I have Taylor beating Regis by decision right now, 8-4/9-3. It's the safer bet for sure.

 

Picking Taylor over Prograis based on how they fared in the unpaid ranks is flawed.

Also, I hate to break this to you, but the amateur boxing talent pool in the US is on a different level than the UK, and always has been.

 

A great amateur is usually going to always compete on the world level as a pro.

However, some guys are just built for the pro-game through and through. Felix Trinidad and Crawford all being examples of guys who didn't achieve anything on the world level (or the premier events of the national scene either).

Some guys bloom late and just are built for the pro's. It's really a different sport than the amateurs. Like flag football and the real thing.

That being said, lol at Prograis being called a "prospect", he's a 30yr old man. He's unknown because 140 is so lacking with star power. If he wins the WBSS and defeats Ramirez then he'll be getting serious buzz. Hooker is available and a future fight with Crawford could be lined up.

 

Aren't they both listed as 5'8?

 

Im a fan!! Right now one of my favs

 

Crawford can only beat who is put in front of him, nobody in boxing right now is dominating the level of competition that he is. He would ruin Prograis.

 

Huh? That kid with the bum knee was lighting Crawford up. Khan was touching Crawford. In case you didn't know, Crawford is fairly hittable, as Gamboa showed us back in the day. Crawford will probably get his arse handed to him once Ennis becomes his mandatory, or Prograis moves up. To claim that Crawford is dominating a top level of opposition is really laughable. Crawford has one of the worst resumes of any guy that is claimed to be a top pound for pound fighter. If he was European, we'd all be saying he's faced Euro level opposition.

 

Absolute nonsense. Euro level, have a word with yourself.

 

Prograis ain't no 5'8!