I’ll go with mayweather until I’ve seen Crawford beat fighters of the calibre that mayweather has beat. Crawford hasn’t even come close to doing that yet so there’s not much to go on in regards of trying to predict how a fight between them would go.
No this is not 'fact'. Mayweather at SFW and LW was quicker than Crawford and at WW they were roughly the same. Floyd's foot speed is much quicker than Crawford's at any weight. Mayweather was an excellent combination puncher in his early days. He changed his style to help with his hands decaying and his age, I hope Crawford does the same so he lasts longer. I have come to that conclusion (at WW) because of his power and hook to the body, he was a beast and until Crawford beats an elite Welterweight he isn't one himself imo of course. No, no he is not. Mayweather is the heavy favourite and would build up points and last the distance based on his counter punching ability. I actually have. I have been boxing (seriously) for 6/7 months. About 2 months ago, my coach, Roy, told me he wanted me to 'prove I was worthy'. He told his best fighter (who is at least 10 years older than, and I'm 15) to spar with me, he is 6'2, I'm 5'10, he weighed roughly 40-45lbs more than me and had a good 6/7 inch reach advantage and has 12 years more experience than me. Make no mistake he whipped my ass but I managed to at least go 4 rounds without taking serious damage against some with a much higher ring IQ and size advantage that was litterally just based on me being able to jab, move, use my feet and hold. I appreciate he's not Crawford but I'm not Mayweather. I think Crawford is a helluva talent but at 147 he has proved nothing to convince me he beats Mayweather,
Crawford is a genius, but this is totally fair and I would probably agree. Also, Crawford has boxed best against guys who stupidly come forward and Floyd would never fall for that ****.
Is it Crawford's fault that his defense repeatedly looks porous against lackluster opposition? There you go with your fabrications. Who thought that? If the U.S. military is Crawford, and Iraq is Benevidez. Iraq would have fought fairly even and even won some battles, causing significant casualties and hardware loss before being defeated. What you just typed suggests that your oral orafice is being impaled by Crawford phallically.
I like, respect, and appreciate you as a poster but we are just going to have to agree to disagree here. I dont see any version of Mayweather at any weight being faster than Crawford is. Maybe its me, maybe im wrong, but I know boxing and know what I see and ive never seen any version of Mayweather that is faster than Crawford in any area, and definitely not in hand speed. In his younger and lighter days he may have been close or maybe even equal to Crawford in foot speed, but never through my eyes. But that doesn't matter anyways, because the question posed was who would win prime for prime at 147. I dont consider Mayweather was prime at 147, so you just have to take the best version you saw of Mayweather at 147 and match that against Crawford. In this instance, Crawford blitzes Mayweather in the speed department. And like I said, Crawford has always had a noticeable hand speed advantage over any version of Mayweather IMO. I dont know what you are seeing to come to the conclusion that Mayweather was faster of foot than Crawford at WW, that's beyond a stretch IMO. Please refer me to a fight or fights or even instances where I could compare, I'm seriously curious and if I have overlooked this id like to see it. Uuntil then, I'm going to continue to believe 100% that Mayweathers foot speed at WW doesnt come close to Crawford. One aspect of Mayweather that was overrated throuout his career was his speed. Im not saying he wasnt fast -- he was very fast -- but never on the elite level some make him out to have been. Cotto was a beast and did have good power and was a he'll of a body puncher, but speed was always his killer and Crawford is a MASSIVE, powerful, slick, master counterpuncher, with blaing speed and great movement. Cotto IMO would be in way over his head and stopped pretty easily. I dont think he would ever be in range that often for his body work to ever make much of an impact and I think Crawford's power, accuracy, IQ, and counterpunching would completely disuade Cotto from going anywhere near his body. I agree, Mayweather would be tbe heavy favorite going in, mainly because people are sheep who can't think for themselves and dont understand what they are seeing or how much styles and certain attributes determine fights. Mayweather has a **** ton of big names on his resume. But boxrec is FAR from telling the whole story. Mayweather was incredible at the lower weights and I consider all of his best wins down there. At the higher weights a case could be made that he never once faced an elite opponent that was in their prime, and that argument would hold weight, Cotto is the closest to being prime on Mayweather's resume at the higher weights, but even he had been destroyed twice by that point, and how elite was he really? Cotto lost almost everytime he stepped up, beat the guys he was supposed to beat for the most part, was a tough and skilled guy who always came to fight but he had his flaws and fighters with certain attributes were deadly for him, ie guys with speed and lots of it, and movement. Cotto squeaked by Joshua Clottey, beat a shot to bits Margarito who already had taken his soul, beat a Mosely who had already been beaten 4 times and was past his prime, beat Judah who had already been beaten 3 times and was past prime, Denarcus Corley, Randall Bailey, Ricardo Torres, Nelson Pinto. He never beat an.elite fighter in their prime and he sure AF never faced an opponent that brings even 1/4 the package of talent, skill, athleticism, size, movement, accuracy, elusiveness, power, and length(especially someone who knows how to use it and uses it to its full potential and affect) that Crawford does. People always chirp about resumes but fail to see anything more than either big names or unheard of names on a piece of paper. Cotto and his generation are considered to have fought in a better era and they have better resumes not because the fighters were more capable and skilled or even better than today's WW's, but because more big names fought each other and their was more general interest in the division from the casuals. I'll never in a million years give Cotto a shot in he'll at beating Crawford at WW prime for prime -- and im a big Cotto fan prior to him becoming a diva. Mayweather beat a well past it Pac, which significantly detracts from the statement it makes. He beat Victor Ortiz who'd already been found out long before they fought, got taken to he'll and back by Maidana once and peeked by him before clearly beating him the 2nd time. Beat past prime Judah, Berto. Good win over Robert Guerrero, who wouldn't have been a world beater today. His win over Ricky Hatton is the only opponent he beat who was prime. Sorry, but Hatton would never have had anything for today's Walters, he was elite at 140, lower level top 10 if he even makes top 10 at welter. Money gets huge props for his wins over Corrales, Genaro Hernandez, ****, even Angel Manfredy. Sorry, but his entire career above LW was a. Harry picked and manipulated farce where he enjoyed a heavily stacked deck against every opponent he gaced there and never had a fight on an even playing field, he was totally exempt from all testing and juiced his ass off all the way to the bank while all his opponents had to comply with normal testing procedures so we're forced to bring knives to a gunfight. Add into it his catchweight bull**** he pulled to drain fighters and the time he dragged up Marquez for a fight and completely blew off the weigh in weight limit and its clear to see the guy didnt shoot anybody a fair one. At WW, I say again, he is at a significant speed deficit against Crawford, along with significant deficits in reach, size/weight/strength, movement, combination punching, power, Arsenal of punches...... I mean those. Combined are close to impossible to overcome, especially against an opponent as intelligent and adaptable as Crawford who is equal to Mayweather in timing, accuracy, and IQ. Refer me to anything that will add weight to your arguments otherwise I see no plausible way Mayweather makes it more than half the fight conscious. BTW -- congrats for picking up the sport and having the balls to try it and the fortitude to stick with it. If the story you told was true, which is possible but highly unlikely, the other guy must have been garbage or he took it really easy on you. And your trainer -- again if true and I'm not calling you a liar, it's certainly plausible and unfortunately happens not uncommonly -- should not be training anybody. In the current landscape of boxing, safety is paramount as it should be. Matching up two fighters with such huge gaps everywhere for the sole reason of having you prove yourself to him is ****ing insane and he has no business in that line of work no matter how much knowledge he has. Hes the type of trainer thats all wrong in boxing nowadays, and if that kid didn't KO you or seriously wreck you and was going full bore, he has already plateaued and is garbage if he cant exploit all of those significant advantages over you and have all that nullified by a jab, movement, and clinching. Those are three vital and critical skills for a fighter to have, but such an experienced fighter should be more than able to employ those of his own and have countermeasures to avoid you nullifying all of his massive advantages by those three things.
Laughing emoji's dont detract from the fact that you think Boots Ennis -- no more than a prospect -- and Regis Prograis have anything for the p4p #1 or #2 fighter in the world. I'm a big fan of Prograis and want to see he and Ennis become the best fighters they can be, but youre the idiot for even mentionong them as threats to Crawford at this point. You dont kniw what youre watching pal. Give me one example where Crawford's defense could be considered porous. Every fighter gets touched up at certain points in their career and against certain opponents. Mayweather got tagged up by Castillo, Corley, shot to **** Mosely, Maidens and probably some others, they were just off the top of my head. Does that make his defense porous? No, youre an idiot that doesnt understand boxing and clearly too stupid to understand my analogy of the first Gulf War, it went way over your head so just forget about it. And you never stated any facts. Mayweather doesnt have 15 better wins than Crawford. Pistol, Gambia, Burns, and Horn are easily as good as if not better than some of Mayweathers best wins. But the only prime fighter Mayweather fought above LW is Ricky Hatton, which is why I made reference to his sparring against a 16 year old. Benavidez who seemingly put it on a prime Hatton. Ya, sparring is sparring, but when you're supposedly a world champion and are going life and death with a 16 year old amateur, sparring or not, id say its pretty safe to say you're just not that good. Mayweather undoubtedly faced and beat much bigger names than Crawford, but always with the decks stacked impossibly in his favor while he was immune to any PED testing and his opponents were handcuffed by them. Add in his cherry picking, catchweighting, and all the other nonsense he pulled for an advantage and almost all of his fights above LW were little more than a WWE fight. He made hus biggest name beating past prime fighters, a 22 year old Canelo who he also catchweighted, cherry picking, and dragging guys up and then himself blowing off the weight limit. I'll say this again, he never fought anyone with the size, speed, reach, skill, IQ, adaptability, strength, power, movement, elusiveness, competent switch hitting ability, taiming and accuracy, and ability to exploit all those advantages and employ all his strengths and skills to their fullest like Crawford. For once, the deck is totally stacked against Mayweather and he would swerve Crawford so hard that he willingly drive off a cloff to avoid him. If he were forced into the ring against Crawford and had to fight him on an even playing field, hes not concious past rounds 6 or 7. He would get wrecked. Dont deflect with resume this or Prograis that, point me to any instances he has shown on film that would suggest he could competently nullify any of the advantages Crawford has, but only make reference to such instances against decent comp, no Carlos Baldomir bullshite.
Lmfao!!!! Thanks for the laugh. Crawford has never been faster than pbf at any weight not handspeed reflexes or footspeed wtf are you talking about? Unless youre talking about the current version of pbf then i agree.
Prime Mayweather would beat Crawford, on the right or left side. He was just to fast and too accurate, plus he was mentally at a higher level.
Except for the fact he is, was, and always has been. Maybe the greatest misconception about Floyd was that he was some sort of speed demon with some of the greatest speed ever. Well, he wasn't, but he was so great and so skilled in almost every other area that it fooled people into thinking he was. His mind was his fastest asset, and that's a compliment, not a knock on him. Judah had a clear speed advantage over him when they fought, as would a number of other fighters if he ever fought them. When he finally fought someone with truly elite speed in Judah he looked slightly pedestrian in speed until he was able to time Judah and adjust. The only fighter I've seen Crawford fight who was faster than Crawford -- and who coincidentally gave him his toughest fight -- was Gambo a, who was even clearly faster than Judah, but even against Gamboa Crawford never looked slightly pedestrian, he still looked fast AF. And say what you want about Benavidez, but that kid DOES have fast hands and height/reach.those are the only two fighters that ive seen give Crawford any sort of trouble. Mayweather has nothing for Khan in terms of speed. I dont care how shot he was against Crawford, hes still an absolute speed demon who is/was CLEARLY faster than both Mayweather and Judah. He looked like a plodding idiot against Crawford up until Crawford made hik feel so hopeless and helpless that he actually kicked it in. A guy that has been praised numerous times for standing and trading and getting into all out center of the ring gun fights his whole career when he should have been disengaging. Shameless diehard PBF fans can't accept the fact that their boy didn't have perfect tens across the board in all areas. He didn't, I know that must be a tough pill to swallow but it's time to get real with yourselves. And not only did he not have perfect tens across the board in all areas, he comes Crawford who is actually a far more impressive physical specimen and package of talent, intelligence, skills, and mental and physical toughness. Im sorry to kick you in the balls so late at night but denial is the cowards way out. Come to terms with reality.
And one last thing, I often wonder what Mayweathers real physical and athletic ability would have looked like if he were totally clean and didnt have Al Haymon and USADA blatantly and factually in his back pocket protecting him from any testing regulations all of his opponents had to abide by. He, Haymon, Travis Tygart, and anyone else knowingly involved should have been federally indicted a long time ago over all that. A prosecutor with Down's Syndrome has all of them and more on a platter. Its really disheartening nothing has been do e about it and probably never will. Dudes start dropping seeds at an unprecedented rate in baseball and throwing pitches well above their normal velocity and the FBI comes in and goes ham -- for the integrity of the sport of course. Well, WTF about boxing?!?! Boxers arent hitting or throwing baseball's, they are throwing punches at each other's head, it's actual combat and an investigative journalist uncovers the motherload of cheating, corruption, and blatantly uneven playing fields favoring select fighters and nothing happens and all involved continue to be immune from facing justice. As if boxing wasnt already viewed by the general public badly enough over so many things including the health risks involved and even fighter losing their lives in the ring or receiving irreversible neurological damage, certain people jury rigged it so bad that they basically picked and chose a small group of select fighters to pump full of steroids and have USADA clear them while thsir opponents are essentially handcuffed and sent to slaughter for entertainment. Thats ****ing sick, psychotic, evil.... Its too many bad and ****ed up things to list and Mayweather, Ellerb e, Haymon, Tygart need to face justice. ODLH and Canelo too. Even Pac should be indicted, he settled in court with Mayweather for an undisclosed amount to keep certain USADA findings and test results under wraps, so he found out and knew what happened and continued to happen and sold out instead of coming out with it. Goes to show so many of these elite boxers -- no matter how many tines they try to put on the good guy persona act -- are nothing more than greedy, selfish, sociopathic sell outs who dont give a damn about anyone else and have no appreciation for life and how precious it and health are. **** them all.
The problem is and not saying how good Spence and Crawford are, but the way they are now at the top of welterweight, Floyd would not have fought them. He would have avoided them somehow like he did Manny. Floyd might have fought Thurman or Garcia today. But he would not face them. Too much a challenge.
If Crawford fought PBF he would get beat to the punch all night long There is no way in hell Crawford has faster reflexes than PBF if you think that then you clearly have no clue as to what you're watching and should just log off now. Has Crawford ever thrown or landed a pull counter and then slipped the incoming counter? PBF has a dozen times or more. The level of speed and reflexes you have to have to pull that off is off the charts. Has Crawford ever thrown 3 consecutive straight right hands all landing like PBF did to Ndou? I bet you thought Pac was faster than PBF to? Khan would look a step slower than PBF in the ring because PBF would beat him to punch because of superior reflexes guys like Crawford or Khan might throw faster combos than PBF but do not confuse that with being faster that is a very common mistake and you sound like a novice. They can not throw single shots faster with accuracy like PBF, which is better and more usable speed in a fight anyway. The only guy who was actually faster than PBF was Zab because he actually had the ability to beat PBF to the punch with one shot and he could counter him as well. He was actually a better natural athlete than PBF was, he was just mentally weak. Crawford isn't faster or explosive than Zab if you think he was you're high. As far as footspeed you're wrong again. When have you seen Crawford fight off his backfoot for long stretches to win a fight? His footspeed nor footwork are not as good as PBF who could fight at more ranges than Crawford could with better defense to boot. Another thing PBF has over Crawford is counter punching it isn't even close PBF is a much better counter puncher than Crawford is. Until I see Crawford beat some one on the level of Canelo or hell even Oscar Cotto or Chico don't even talk about him having a higher ring IQ than PBF or being better it's flat out ridiculous to even suggest it.
You mean the same Pac who turned down the fight because he was scared to test? That Pac?? Pac ducked PBF not the other way around clown. How many times do I have to post that Freddy Roach video for you to quit spreading this lie? Let me guess, you know more about the situation than Freddy Roach right???
Depends on timing. The Floyd that beat Hatton and Marquez should be favoured over Crawford. The Floyd from Maydana, Guerrero and Berto fights would likely lose.
