Finkel rules out AJ/Wilder this year

I suggest that you look into what happened to Witherspoon after the fight , one of the saddest things in boxing .

 

How many of these can I knock down quickly?

The WBC rated Joshua #2 in its rating in July 2015, and was criticized for it. And instead of fighting Wilder for the WBC belt, Hearn decided to go after Charles Martin when he got a belt on an injury, and in winning that belt he removed himself from the WBC ratings.

https://www.*****.net/2015/07/07/wbc-president-explains-anthony-joshua-s-number-two-ranking/

The WBC did mandate a Wilder-Fury rematch. If Wilder had refused to fight Fury, he'd have been stripped.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boxing-heavyweight-wilder-fury-idUSKCN1PA2WQ

Warren asked the WBC for a few more days to iron out the details. The WBC, thinking they were close, said okay.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/guymar...wary-as-talks-approach-deadline/#eb1b2f84fec5

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/box...WBC-Anthony-Joshua-Frank-Warren-Shelly-Finkel

The Fury signed with Arum, and Arum said that Wilder and Fury wouldn't fight this year.

https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-rematch-20190226-story.html

 

Good points . I use to be a fan of Tyson Fury , but I honestly felt let down after his Klitschko win , he has never defended anything . His uncle and trainer Peter is no where near Tyson now , something is clearly going on with Tyson Fury . This is why AJ is my favourite heavyweight currently , been following him and watching his fights since the Olympics and enjoyed his heavyweight career thus far , as a fan of boxing AJ has never let the side down and climbed and pushed harder than any other HW I can recall . I think it's wrong he's the number 3 WBC and WBO rank I can think of several boxers who have proved more , his cousin Hughie has fought better opposition than Tyson . The way I see it take the WBC away from Wilder and he would not be in most people's top 5 current HW , take the belts away from AJ and people would still rank him top 5 .

 

Good post, I agree with everything you said.

 

Ok let's go .

Fact is AJ took every other belt individually and won and defended each on multiple occasions no other current HW can say that except Klitschko if he returns . AJ stepped up and his choices paid off , fighting Klitschko , Martin and Parker over Wilder is a positive not a negative in my book and most other peoples . Yes it mean't being removed from the WBC rankings , but he's now Unified Undefeated WBO ,WBA , IBF , IBO Champion rather than being the number 1 WBC contender . You mean to tell me being a multiple belt holder and being unified is worse than being the WBC champion ?

WBC cannot mandate they can request . WBC can only mandate their chosen ranked boxer , currently Breazeale which is why we got that fight next .

The WBC are not promoters , of course by preference they want Wilder Fury because they do not want a controversial draw over their title . Last thing they want is people saying yeah but that title should belong to Fury hence making it a current ghost belt , which is what many people are now leaning towards .

Yes Fury signed with ESPN and Arum and he said they would not fight this year . I do wonder why ?

Come on Dubblechin you avoided the Ortiz developments and now your telling me that the WBC is more than every other belt combined ???

 

In Spinks' first fight at heavyweight, he won the IBF title from Holmes in the fall of '85. Holmes had a rematch clause. Their rematch was set for the spring of '86.

Bruno won a WBA eliminator against Coetzee in March 1986 and joined the HBO Heavyweight tournament, where he got a HOME fight against Witherspoon and was knocked out. He didn't return to the ring until the spring of 87 against Tillis.

Spinks was supposed to fight his IBF mandatory Tony Tucker in the spring of '87, Spinks declined, and the IBF stripped him in 1987.

Tyson won the IBF belt in the Tournament final in August 1987.

At no point where Bruno and Spinks ever in the picture together. Bruno was going after the WBA belt when Spinks was the IBF champ and Bruno got his title shot and got knocked out.

 

Can you READ?

The WBC MANDATED the Wilder-Fury rematch - an org can ORDER an immediate rematch any time they want. And they did.

Immediate rematches are ORDERED all the time.

Haven't you noticed that in all your years of watching boxing. OR am I talking to another kid who was 12 when the first Wilder-Fury fight took place?

Christ.

 

If that is true then why isn't Tyson Fury bumped down the rankings . If you refuse a mandate you get punished , you know like your fav Ortiz when he skipped the WBA mandate .

 

Yes I can read I suggest you read your own evidence never does it say mandate it says order . Here is an excerpt .

“The WBC is hereby notifying both camps that the free negotiation period is opened and if there is no agreement between the parties a purse bid will be conducted by the WBC on Tuesday, February 5th” the WBC said in a statement.

Right since no agreement could be reached , and Fury is not the mandatory fighter Breazeale is . The WBC cannot do anything about it.

 

The WBC and the WBA are not the same organization. Or have you not learned the difference between "A's" and "O's" yet in school?

They (THE WBC) MANDATED an immediate rematch. That means their champion WILDER had to fight who they MANDATED. They mandated he fight Fury.

Wilder negotiated with Fury's team. Fury's team ran.

So the WBC mandated Wilder fight Breazeale. So now he's fighting Breazeale.

What the WBA did with others (they rank CHARR as one of their THREE HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPS) has nothing to do with the WBC.

 

Also since it was never in the contract in the event of a draw that a rematch must be implemented , Fury is obliged to do guess what ? ............. F all. This was a stupid choice on Wilder's career to fight Fury when Fury is making a comeback after two warm up fights and now Wilder and the WBC are paying for it . The WBC champion could not beat someone who Pianeta took the distance 3 months previous .

All Fury has to do is let Wilder stew on this .

 

WBC cannot mandate two fights for their champion in the space of a year . They have time periods otherwise they would be mandating every ranked number 1 contender one after the other and ignoring the other bodies .

 

FFS Dubblechin yes the WBC and WBA are not the same organisation . Where in the article you stated did it say mandate , its says orders by preference , in short Wilder we order you fight Fury next and since it was not Wilder's fault the re-match never got made he was never stripped . So now in order to save some legitimacy of the WBC HW title the mandatory was called in being Breazeale . Fury was never the mandatory it was a fight Wilder took thinking it was gonna be easy , a stupid calculation by Wilder and his team they wanted Fury's name on the ledger for quick and easy defeat since he is the worse he has ever been .

 

Yes, they can.

Section 3.8 of the WBC rules.

Special Bout Sanction(s). Under special circumstances, including but not limited to as a bout involving an elite contender, a champion of another organization, a match or tournament that the WBC determines in its sole discretion would be in the best interests of boxing, or any other applicable special circumstance, THE WBC MAY ORDER and/or sanction any such bout, or each associated tournament bout, as either a voluntary or mandatory defense under such terms and conditions as the WBC may impose in its sole discretion, and may order that any such special bout take precedence over and occur prior to any previously designated mandatory defense.

Under the circumstances set forth in the preceding paragraph, any previously-designated mandatory challenge may be ordered by the WBC: (i) to occur immediately after the special bout or tournament with no intervening bout ...

 

Yes rematches are ordered all the time . Is Fury the mandatory for the WBC ?????? was he ever the mandatory for the WBC ???????? NOOOOOO! You have mandatory fights and voluntary fights . Dominic Breazeale has been the mandatory fighter for the WBC for a while now and Dillian Whyte is the number 1 contender who holds the WBC Silver which he won of Helenius . Which is why Fury is not ranked above them .