Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

Tyson was knocked out by Lewis. Rocky’s two knockdowns didn’t affect him in the slightest. As a matter of fact he didn’t even act hurt (May have been hurt but certainly didn’t show it), was down for a total of six seconds. That being said Moore and Walcott were no slouches in the punching department. When fighting at HW anyone can get knocked out with a punch. I wouldn’t call James Tooney the puncher of the century but he managed to knock out the iron chinned Holyfield. Sometimes you just get caught. That being said I don’t see why Marciano couldn’t take shots from those you named. There is literally nothing to say he couldn’t. By this thinking Ali had a poor chin because he was floored by cooper . Or Holyfield because he was KO by Tooney or Foreman because he was floored albeit breifly by young. No one is immune from getting knocked down. And you’d be hard pressed to find a champion HW whom hasn’t been floored
All this being said who knows? Maybe he has a career like Morrison? Maybe he goes on like Tyson?or Tua? No one knows

 

Are you being purposely dense or are you genuine?

A) Tyson was 36 years old and over a decade past his prime. Marciano, who started in his late 20's, was well retired by this point.

B) Lewis is about the largest and strongest fighter who still retained great punching mechanics. He's barely the same species as Walcott or Moore in the power department.

 

When did I knock Tyson for getting knocked out? The previous poster stated he took his punches I simply pointed out he didn’t. Maybe reading what I was replying too would have helped

 

Lewis landed 84 power punches before he KO'd Tyson... an 36 year old Tyson of extremely diminished ability and very questionable motivation outside the $17.5 mil.

 

Once again...reading is important. I wasn’t knocking Tyson I was correcting and responding to a previous post that said Tyson walked through Lewis’s punches he clearly did not. What does that have to do with anything you’re saying? There is no shame in getting knocked out when you’re old by another old ATG.

 

To me the Thread should end with.... Likely not much other than get destroyed

 

You are correct, There are people like Don Turner.

This is what one side of the argument don’t understand, for everything that can be said against one side, something else can always be put forward from the other side. This is why you can never really know that “this would be the easiest fight Foreman would ever have”.

People are determined to believe it would be but there are just too many things that can’t be explained away like the fact that Foreman was knocked down and knocked out in his prime and that sub 200 pound fighters did survive against him. So I don’t think it is a done deal. Nobody knows.

 

Good points.

 

I think Lewis was a much heavier puncher than anyone and Tyson took numerous flush bombs from him and looked exhausted rather than hurt when being counted our. Moore spotted Lewis about 60 lbs.

I see nothing to suggest Rocky could take punches like that.

 

@Gazelle Punch : There are so many falsehoods, I don´t even know where to start replaying. So I´ll make it short:

Walcott and Moore weren´t modern HW punchers. Walcott got 62% KO´s per wins, which is below the rate of guys like Pinktlon Thomas, Trevor Berbick and many others. Its Tyrell Biggs league. With the difference, that Biggs fought guys 30 pounds bigger than Walcott. Moores is 70%, and I think it was mcvey who stated the rate at HW going very low.
Who of these fellows would crumble to the ground from one of these shots? Tyson, Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Joshua, Wilder, Lewis, Liston ? Down from one blow, but he has an ATG chin? Come one, thats just absurd. He was lucky these fellows couldn´t finish their job. Guys like Morrsion, Hide, Seldon, Ruddock etc etc. certainly had other attitude....

Power: After it went to championchip class, his power suddenly disappeared. Beside Walcott 2, who just mistimed to get up, he broke old worn fighters down late. Who of these guys Tyson, Foreman, Ali, Holmes, Holyfield, Bowe, Joshua, Wilder, Lewis, Liston do you see 66 rounds of tango against old worn LHWs in 7 fights? Want to compare that amount of rounds in significant fights with Liston, Tyson, Foreman, or some others? Marciano was an attrition puncher who won by stamina! No signs of brutal early round power, forget about fighting guys 40lb bigger!

 

Ali was down from single shots against Sonny Banks (191 pounds) and Henry Cooper (185 pounds). (Frazier too, of course).
Holmes was down against Kevin Isaac (188 pounds !) and Renaldo Snipes.
Liston is reported to have been knocked down by Marty Marshall in one of their three fights, and certainly had his jaw broken by him. Marshall was about 180 pounds.

Wilder has been knocked down by BUMS. Complete bums.

 

Anthony Joshua just went ...... 7th round, the full 12 distance, 10th round, 11th round in his last 4 fights.
Three of those opponets were on their feet at the end.
The 3 opponents he stopped were 36, 39 and 41 years old.
The young guy, he couldn't even knock down.
Yes, they were bigger than Marciano's opponents but ..... where's Joshua's early round power ?

Wilder's opposition has been MUCH WORSE. ..... and he's been taken 8 rounds or more in 7 out of his 9 "world title" fights.

 

You weren't correcting, you were ignoring that I said that Tyson could be worn down but was very hard to hurt with a single punch.

Nothing about that statement contradicts that he seemingly choose to stay down and be counted out after taking many flush shots by Lewis. He looked exhausted rather than hurt.

 

So much dishonesty. First off if you watched the two knock downs of his career he wasn’t hurt at all. To state otherwise is an outright lie. Every fighter on that list has a lower KO percentage then Marciano and many have been knocked out or down by former middle weights and LHW. Your arguments refuse to take reality into the situation. Your only argument against Marciano is to stigmatize his competition. You call them old but most on the list have an older average age of opponent. You call them not so great yet he beat three top 25 p4p men and the modern HW division for the last 20 years had been a sad joke. I’d take Walcott over everyone today.

 

I can't understand how people who actually watch boxing still equate knockdowns (or even flash knockdowns) with being seriously hurt and give excessive credit to fighters who stay on their feet even when they are clearly or probably "out of it".

It's a weird simplistic formula. Staying upright = great chin, knocked down = weak chin.

It really has little relation to the actual reality of the sport of boxing.