Marciano vs Foreman... What Can The Rock Do?

How the hell is anyone supposed to answer that? Could James Tooney take punches from SHWs? Could Roy jones win a championship from a shw? They could and they were middle weights. Maybe GGG can maybe he can’t but I wouldn’t completely discount him and say impossible.

 

Could Rocky take a punch from Foreman SHW? Could he handle a prime Holmes jab? Could he compete with Ali-quickness? Could he rumble with Tua-like bulldozers?

How the hell is anyone supposed to answer that????

 

Exactly. It’s opinion. But you spout off as it’s fact. That’s the difference. No one knows...except the Holmes jab Rocky takes him imo

 

I'm not explaining any view of reality, or offering any examples of anything for any other reason than to mimic your method, to illustrate your flowed logic.
I haven't made a single point about Liston, Ali et al. ..... just flipped your own reasoning back to expose its stupidity.

That's reasonable.
But why single out brief moments where Marciano was knocked down (and not particularly damaging KDs either) and denigrate both him AND the two men who knocked him down ?
As if it's strong evidence of some drastc vulnerabiliy?
Or as if to assume Walcott/Moore with their best punches wouldn't pose momentary threats to your "modern HW" favourites.

 

You are claiming what is not there, we are claiming thats a problem. We don´t need to claim that Foreman ate Marciano-size fighters for breakfast, because it happened.

It is not, at least not in his devision. But it becomes a case if you compare it to ATG chins, like happened in another thread. Even if its only n = 2 or other cases of him beeing hurt, it just didn´t happen to ATG chins like Vitali, McCall, Tyson, Foreman or matured Ali.
The problem is heroizing to the limit, nobody disputes Rocky having a prooven chin to what the actually accomplished.
By the way, if I did a reasoning for Rocky not fighting biggers guys, reversed and strictly speaking we needed to find LHWs to stun these ATG chins, which did not happen.
By foundation of heavier weightclasses hitting harded.

 

Greb and Walker beat Bonavena/Frazier/mike weaver sized power punchers?

Brian London never accomplished anything other than providing entertaining knockout reels. Huck won regional belts and beat 5 world champions.

Golovkin is as good as it gets in today's 160 division, thats why i used him.

 

As hard as Ali was to stop, he wasn't that very hard to hurt. Not nearly as hard to hurt as, say, Tyson or Tua.

Banks and Cooper obviously hurt a young Ali, but even the mature version was hurt not only by the likes of Frazier and Shavers but also by Bonavena and Norton and buzzed by Bob Foster and Floyd Patterson (rematch).

The thing with Ali was his recuperative powers and survival skills. But this is very different for a short swarmer. They usually don't circle around or hold until their head clears - they keep on trucking since that's what they know and since their disadvantages in height and reach makes it much harder for them to stay away.

And there's where we have the difference between Frazier and Ali against Foreman. Ali also got his bell soundly rung on at least three occasions, but he would hold or move away and at the same time (convincingly) act like he wasn't hurt at all. Frazier on the other hand would only come back for more.

In the rematch Frazier tried to rectify this and box Foreman instead, but he was never going to be able to keep away from George for a whole fight.

Marciano might, like Frazier, not be hurt more than Ali by the first clean punch landed by Foreman, but he wouldn't move away or clinch like Ali. He would most likely, just like Frazier, continue moving into Foreman's barrage and I don't think that would end well for him.

 

The only thing the Rock can do is finding a soft spot on the canvas.......he knows only one form of fighting and that is coming right at his opponent.......and he aint surviving Foreman's wheel house and I dare to say it would be even less competitive than the Frazier fights.......

 

Not sure how this thread has gone on this long. Marciano has a very small chance to beat Foreman.

 

This thread is actually gonna reach 1000 replies, isn't it?

 

Greb and Walker did ok against heavyweights winning fights where they were outweighed as much or more than Rocky would be against 217 George Foreman. I don’t understand your confusion over this?

“Mickey Walker, fighting a man who weighed 42 pounds more than he, was on the floor in one round of his fight last night with Bearcat Wright, Omaha Negro, but came back to win. . . . Walker went down for a count of three in the first, but wasn't hurt seriously and in the second he floored the giant Negro for a short count. Walker held the edge from then on and had Wright hanging on the ropes at the end of the tenth and final round." (Daily Northwestern)


1922-09-26 : Harry Greb 173 lbs beat Al Benedict 210 lbs by TKO at 2:40 in round 2 of 10

• Location: Coliseum, Toronto, Ontario, Canada.

 

Would that be a record for a non-pinned post?

 

I asked you for quality cruiserweight sized opponents who had good punching power. Not sure what Bear Cartwright's ranking was but at least he had a winning record and a good number of KO's.

However your other example, Al Benedict, was clearly trash with 29 losses 27 by KO! An 18% ko ratio! The weight difference looks impressive on paper until you see how horrible the fighter's stats are.

This is your supporting evidence that a smaller man can beat a 40 lbs heavier opponent?!

 

No. Just evidence that you can’t entirely rule out anything out so unanimously.

 

Louis, Marciano, Dempsey, Walcott, Satterfield, Herbie Hide, Moorer, Holyfield, Charles, Langford, Cooper, Haye...we can go on that’s just off the top of my head. But a few examples of cruiserweight with power.