Who are the BEST and WORST high profile trainers right now?

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  1. TEAM_LOMA

    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    Please share why
     
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    ertwin Active Member banned Full Member

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    Abel sanchez: the guy was never really good. Ggg was just so overpowered in his prime that my 11 year old cousin could have been his trainer and he would still be world champ. Sanchez was just farming ggg s fame.
    You could see that in the usyk-gassiev fight. No concept no nothing and dont tell me that thats because of usyks skill cause briedis and glowacki also managed to win a few round and these guys are on a same skill level as gassiev.
     
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    MeatFeastMan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Joe Gallagher has to be the most overrated british trainer ever. That silly high-guard style is good for having a brawl at British and European level, but his fighters all tend to get found out at world level. (Other than Callum Smith who has the talent to go with it)

    Take Loma vs Crolla for example. Crolla got murdered in there by Loma. They had no plan other than just put both hands up to protect their face. I mean, look...no-one was expecting to him to win anyways, but if they had a real plan he may have won a round or two and lasted a bit longer before being embarrassed.

    Joe Gallagher seems to have taken from football. You just sit back all game, absorb all pressure and score a scabby goal in the 90th minute. The problem with that is that you're inviting so much pressure that 9 times out of 10 you're gonna end up losing 3/4-0 rather than 1-0. And it's the same here. Unless you're a smart counter-puncher and you know what you're doing, it's a pointless strategy because you're always going to get hit too much.
     
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    im sparticus There Ye Go. Full Member

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    It's not the high gaurd that's the problem really. Lots of fighters over the years have used high guards to good effect. It's more a problem that the head of Joe's fighters never move off the line. Also using the same strategy fight after fight just doesnt work. Waiting for your opponent to wear themselves down, then going to work on them does work against certain opponents but not against others.
    Joe built his training techniques, tactics and strategy around the old Manchester approach of " drag them into deep waters and drown the f*ckers" started put by Brian H8ghes and then added to here and there by certain Manchester trainers with Joe's approach been the summit of this way of thinking.
     
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    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    You are a bit harsh there.
    He won Trainer of The Year a few years back. He has brought a lot of domestic level guys onto the world scene.
    The high guard is not their only "gameplan". It's just a simple form of defense that allows for an easy catch and shoot counter style. And it's a good way to defend yourself. Having a high guard means you are always thinking about defense and thus you are defensively responsible.
    Crolla-Barroso KO was a beauty. Crolla had his guard up, caught a few shots on the guard, slipped and scored the bodyshot KO. Ismail had no idea what happened because the slip was out of nowhere.

    Gallagher is one of the most underrated trainers who gets shat on way too often. He never trained any great talents but had a lot of success with everyone.
     
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    Norman Stone (John Ruiz's trainer.)
     
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    Callum Smith, Scott Quigg, Liam Smith, Anthony Crolla - all world champions.
    Matthew Macklin should have been world champion ( he got robbed against Sturm)
    John Murray was a top fighter in his prime, bad promoting cost him a world title
    Callum Johnson top fighter, potential world champion.

    Callum Smith has a good chance of becoming a British ATG.

    Gallagher = Ring magazine trainer of the year

    He must be doing something right! and he can't possible be as bad as you make lol #troll.
     
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    TEAM_LOMA This is Boxing Full Member

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    What do you guys think about John David Jackson?
     
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    velagod Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dave coldwell is utter shite, yeah every trainer wins some but coldwell is a little pleb who throws his fighters under the bus when they lose and never takes any criticism himself.

    Also coldwell thought it was a good idea to have David price put on 20 plus pounds when he already has a notoriously bad gas tank baffling decision.
     
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    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Actually it's a very British thing to discourage any flair or natural talent.I think the reason why folk on here Inc our American friends have taken to Taylor is because he's the exact opposite of the Usual U.K. fighter and I hope nobody tries to coach that out of him.
    Reason why England's cricket team took to getting a foreign coach is that we were getting beat by teams like Sri Lanka who encouraged bowlers and batsmen with weird natural actions.
     
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    GALVATRON Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Don't know about the worst ,but there seems to be a false concept that trainers are some type of magicians or wizards that give fighters magical powers to win,but its up to the fighter themselves almost always not the trainer . The very few just luck out and blend with certain fighters better so there is really no best trainer its almost who fits someones style and whos better able to train a type of fighter.

    Ali Bashir is head and shoulders above all .

    McCracken and I actually like Ben Davidson ( though Roach had the better approach against Wilder) .

    The best trainer will know how to communicate, breakdown fighters through extensive video for hours( some actually don't believe in this) ,and mold a fighter to the style they fight.

    I like the three above approach, Davidson brings new school methods of strength conditioning ,the other two are tons of knowledge ,no nonsense guys. Bashir would've made Wlad a far better fighter then Steward or Banks.

    Notable mentions , Roach, Hunter, Tibbs ( don't know if hes high profile ) ...these guys not only know boxing but are motivators .

    Some trainer that are decent just get rock head fighters at times that make them look bad and have to plead with them to follow instructions ( Don Charles) comes to mind and Kevin Barry .

    The WORST corner ive seen this era : Yes you guessed it...Mr .Wilders, that is basically what you call a cheerleader corner. The guy just cant cut a break in just about every thread,but its true,very incompetent corner of both instruction and the way Breland and Deas come off as a Saturday night live skit. one has no urgency the other has urgency but no direction for Wilder. And people are wondering how the guy loses rounds and doesn't box, well this isn't helping I can tell you that. lol

    Not only is the corner poor but wilder is to and is not good at following instructions + Bad night waiting to happen ,some already did.

    I know when someone knows boxing all these guys do but it takes more then that being a great trainer you actually have to know how to add to someones skills or lack of as well as communicate or have a fighter listen .
     
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    aaalbert Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Is the “let him out of the cage” guy still a boxing coach?