Fighters wrong and right predicting Reno and why ...

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    There was/is a lot of mining in Nevada "The Silver State" which leads to all kinds of nastiness, especially back in the olden days. I've never heard that explanation, tho.
     
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    BitPlayerVesti Boxing Drunkie Full Member

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  3. Unforgiven

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    It's easy to say that with hindsight but obviously at the time Jim Jeffries carried an aura of invincibility that even 5 year out of the ring could hardly diminish.
     
  4. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    To who, a white press with no boxing knowledge ?
     
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  5. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    apparently yes in fish......due to strip mining in 1800s and later......fairly common from what I understand.....but Jeffries had very similar symptons to mercury poisoning
     
  6. Webbiano

    Webbiano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Gans was an aging man at this point. I’d imagine he had a much better grasp on what fighting past your prime was like.

    Not saying that it wasn’t an anti Johnson agenda being pushed by Langford and Jeanette, but I think the point I made might have played a strong part in there decision
     
  7. Unforgiven

    Unforgiven VIP Member banned Full Member

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    I've seen similarly poor predictions from so-called experts (fighters and former fighters) in modern times.
    I saw several commentators predict Mike Tyson would emphatically beat Lennox Lewis, for example.
    I remember Sugar Ray Leonard (40 years old, 6 years off) was actually a slight favourite to beat Hector Camacho (34 year old, active) too.

    Jeffries had never been beaten. It wasn't so outrageous to expect him to win, at the time.

    Like I said, it's easy with hindsight for us to see Jeffries had no chance. But at the time, a lot of knowledgeable boxing people probably genuinely calculated him to win.

    Of course, we can always doubt any boxing 'expert' is being honest in their prediction of just giving the press something or selling the fight for the promoter, or thinking of how popular a certain statement makes them. We can always do that.

    I'm just saying that at the time plenty of people here with knowledge would probably find picking a winner a lot harder without the 110 years of hindsight.
     
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    I will give you one example that springs to mind.

    When Vitally Klitschko fought Danny Williams, roughly half of the pundits picked Williams, because he had just beaten Mike Tyson!

    Such was Tyson's aura at the time.
     
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    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Langford admitted later in life that his resentment of Johnson had played a role in his pick.
     
  10. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    I am talking specifically about fighters who have first hand experience about activity, inactivity and how it impacts performance. They did nit need 100 plus years of a sociological or historic study. They have their own careers and I feel specific fighters were driven by either motive, jealously or fear and it impacted their common sense from first hand experience.
     
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