GOTTA ADMIT - WILDER is the REAL DEAL

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  1. kirk

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    Is always in shape
    Always tries for the knockout
    Is almost always gracious after the fight
    Has fought through adversity
    Has fought through severe injuries
    Family man
    Never failed a drug test

    Yet hes easily one of the most hated fighters today...

    Meanwhile guys like Tyson Fury... who show up obese, takes PEDS, abuses narcotics, and comes to win on points... is popular. And its not like his resume is all that amazing either really.

    Anyways...

    Wilder is obviously a very very dangerous fighter. His belief and willingness to unleash unusually explosive and often unorthodox offensive outbursts, are backed up by his size and mental toughness.

    But his resume is simply too thin to really get a good gauge on how legitimate Wilder actually is. And until he fights more guys like Parker, Whyte, Povetkin, ect... (let alone AJ or Fury rematch), knocking out the likes of Breaz and Arreola arent good barometers to gauge him in the grand scheme of things, imo.

    I am rooting for him, but many many many punchers have reached extreme levels of hype based on knocking out subpar opposition, only to see their momentum quickly come apart when they begin to consistently fight the calibre of fighters that can cope with the power and exploit the punchers lack of skillset.

    Will be interesting to see how far Wilders attributes can take him. I just hope he tests himself again soon so we can see.
     
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  2. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    Like who?
     
  3. Reppin501

    Reppin501 The People's Champ Full Member

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    lol Wilder “sucks”...good point
     
  4. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    3 or 4 in the world IMO. The Usyk question mark.
     
  5. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    His power is there every second of every fight. He's never not a landmine.
     
  6. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Because there is money is an American Heavyweight champion with a **** ton of KO's and there always will be.
     
  7. escudo

    escudo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If it's stupid and it works...

    Why change something, when you win every time out, by KO. George Foreman had some bad technique, Roy Jones had some bad technique. Wilder's bad technique is Waiting and wildness. But he's only wild past the third punch. The waiting generally makes sense when you are 6'7" with that power. A mistake is death with Wilder's killer instinct. That said he could work the body more, and did well against Fury when he did. But it's really rare he's the shorter guy in there and Tyson Fury's arsenal is totally unique in all of boxing history.
     
  8. Kiwi_in_America

    Kiwi_in_America The Tuaminator Full Member

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  9. It's Ovah

    It's Ovah I am very feel me good. Full Member

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    Yes, he's definitely the real deal. People are doing what they always do and trying to downplay Breazeale in the wake of the knockout, but plenty of people (themselves included, presumably) had Breazeale giving Wilder a very tough fight beforehand. So credit where it's due.

    I do think there was an element of a favourable stylistic matchup here that allowed Wilder to get the KO so quickly, but regardless, Breazeale is a tough cookie, and he couldn't beat the count after one punch. That's impressive anyway you look at it.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    Has Breazeale ever be legitimately and undebatably considered a genuine contender though ?
    Breazeale was a nobody before Joshua chose him as his 1st defense after the Charles Martin debacle. Breazeale has always been a nobody.

    The only reason people reckoned Breazeale might give Wilder a tough fight is because Wilder has struggled with nobodies and fringe contenders in title fights before !

    Having said that, of course we can't fault Wilder's performance. And, YES, as far as being judged purely as a devastating puncher, Wilder IS the real deal.
    But as a top class fighter, a top class champion, he'll have to perform well against better opponents to be considered as the real deal.
    He's faced 1, 2 or 3 proper rated fighters in his entire career (depending who and how is counting), and those performances were far less impressive.
     
  11. It's Ovah

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    A genuine contender? You mean a man to potentially become a world champ? No.

    He wasn't a nobody though. Most people had him in their top ten or top fifteen, and almost everyone agreed that he was a very tough man to stop.
     
  12. Unforgiven

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    I doubt many people have ever had him in their top ten, or not for long. Maybe top fifteen. But how on earth he got there is another question. Maybe a very weak era, I don't know. He certainly never beat anyone who was currently inside a top ten or a top fifteen.
    Most people felt he LOST to Fred Kassi a couple of fights before gifted a shot at AJ, and hadn't face anyone of note.
    His best wins are Molina and Ugonoh, neither has ever convinced anyone they were ever legit top 10 or top 15 either.

    Yes, he's known to be a tough cookie though. A punching bag really.
    I can't fault Wilder's KO. He took Breazeale out in style.
     
  13. Okin129

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    Brazil is gatekeeper level, a big uncoordinated lump who is tough and can bang a bit, he is the type of guy who would have a 50/50 fight against Chisora.
     
  14. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    And those who are truly aggravated by his antics are akin to the old women who sit and watch wrestling and curse at the screen at the 'baddy' wielding a pair of step ladders over the head of the stricken Joshua... sorry damn autocorrect, I mean 'goodie' . Gotta love naivety, it adds fuel to the fire. Crass makes cash BECAUSE of these folk....
     
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  15. NoNeck

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    You're saying all of this hindsight. Maybe half of rankings had him top ten and every set of rankings had him top 15. Breazeale's MO is to get his ass kicked and then get a come from behind stoppage. He didn't get that chance last week.